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Post by ShooterMike on Jul 26, 2007 22:18:08 GMT
Hey everyone with an interest in European Medieval swords. I have been discussing a project with Angus Trim in an attempt to figure out how he could make a sword for us, and sell it in the sub-$300 category. This is a photo of an AT1315 from the website.  We've been discussing how to make this sword and sell it for under $300. One option is to make the same sword without the fuller. It would weigh just under 2.5 lbs with a 31-inch blade and 4-inch single-hand grip. It might likely have a stained hardwood grip to avoid the costly process of doing a cord wrap and leather cover. It would come sharp and have Gus' great edge geometry. The production run would have to be 10-12 swords at a time and the availability date would probably be around December 2007. IMO, this would be a perfect affordable single hander and could be the basis for some stunning custom work. But I wanted to ask the SBG forum members for their opinions, as you guys are the ones who would determine the viability of the project. Are there 10 others here who would definitely be interested in spending about $300 on this sword? |
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Post by septofclansinclair on Jul 26, 2007 22:25:27 GMT
I'm a firm maybe. I'd love a piece like that, and the idea of customizing it really intriguing, but I can't speak to where my finances will be at that point, especially with Christmas arriving at that point. Slightly post Xmas 2007, early 2008? My interest will be alot higher then.
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Post by rammstein on Jul 26, 2007 22:30:04 GMT
A 100% firm yes from me...I'm fine without the fuller. However if it does stay, then anything we could do about the diamond x-section...?
Anyways if this sword was $300, I'd be first in line.
edit: here's an idea: why not a simple disk pommel, no raised surfaces whatsoever? Should cut down price a little.
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Post by septofclansinclair on Jul 26, 2007 22:36:25 GMT
edit: here's an idea: why not a simple disk pommel, no raised surfaces whatsoever? Should cut down price a little. That's a really good idea - would peening the end of the tang instead of taking the time to make it threaded bring the price down? Ah, but that would probably make it harder to customize... I do prefer fullers, but the diamond cross section wouldn't be too much of a problem for me. It would make a really attractive plain fighting sword, there's no doubt about it. |
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 26, 2007 22:46:52 GMT
I'm a long fuller kind of guy, but might be interested in this sword if some other changes could be made. I don't really care what kind of hilt it has, I'd work with it, but I'm big on aesthetics and where European swords go, a fuller is pretty much essential. Plain blades are nice, simple, efficient things, but they're so boring~
I'm keeping an eye on this, anyway.
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Post by chakobsa on Jul 26, 2007 23:49:26 GMT
Mike, this is a bloody brilliant idea, +1.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 4:02:30 GMT
Hey everyone with an interest in European Medieval swords. I have been discussing a project with Angus Trim in an attempt to figure out how he could make a sword for us, and sell it in the sub-$300 category. This is a photo of an AT1315 from the website. We've been discussing how to make this sword and sell it for under $300. One option is to make the same sword without the fuller. It would weigh just under 2.5 lbs with a 31-inch blade and 4-inch single-hand grip. It might likely have a stained hardwood grip to avoid the costly process of doing a cord wrap and leather cover. It would come sharp and have Gus' great edge geometry. The production run would have to be 10-12 swords at a time and the availability date would probably be around December 2007. IMO, this would be a perfect affordable single hander and could be the basis for some stunning custom work. But I wanted to ask the SBG forum members for their opinions, as you guys are the ones who would determine the viability of the project. Are there 10 others here who would definitely be interested in spending about $300 on this sword? Just as a minor clarification, if this project gets off the ground, its the sword in the photo that will be made for $300. The AT1315, with fuller, leather over cord wrapped handle, etc. ShooterMike and I had a minor miscommunication. |
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 27, 2007 4:04:28 GMT
Sold.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jul 27, 2007 4:59:20 GMT
I'm a yes! In fact I'm a little excited by the prospect as this profile of blade appeals to me greatly. My biggest concern being shipping costs to Australia. I would not want the fuller to go! I wouldn't need a scabbard as most of my swords live on the wall, when not cutting. Also grip customisation would suit my crafty side fine, so the wrap can go. Just please leave the blade alone, it's all about the blade - however as a compromise - a less than perfect polish would be acceptable. Bring it on Gus!  |
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Post by rammstein on Jul 27, 2007 15:10:34 GMT
I actually like the leather wrap but I could do with out it if pressed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 15:24:01 GMT
I'm voting for maybe as i'm not a medieval-sword type.
Though since ive heard so much good stuff about Atrim swords, this could very well be my first medieval one.
I prefer without fuller but that one looked pretty nice, so i can live with that.
What i did not like about that sword is the short handle, i'd like to swing a sword using both hands so if that sword were to have a slightly longer handle, say hand-and-a-half, you could count one sold!
If as in that picture: Maybe...
If slightly longer handle: SOLD!
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Post by rammstein on Jul 27, 2007 15:32:00 GMT
Skalman, longswords are more pricey than single handers as they use more steel and generally require more material to make. That said, it's not impossible to cup your hand over the pommel of a sinfle hander and go all out butchering bottles with a pseudo-two handed grip. I believe a disk pommel wouldn't be "too" hard to work with, although pointier ones like the cocked hat and the typical viking pommels can really hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 15:50:48 GMT
I voted yes ) I've been curious about Angus Trim swords for awhile now, if something comes out in that price range i'll definitely go for it. Around Christmas is perfect for my budget, i know just what to tell Mrs. Santa...
That's a beautiful blade.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 16:39:00 GMT
Hell yes.
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Post by septofclansinclair on Jul 27, 2007 17:10:20 GMT
Just as a minor clarification, if this project gets off the ground, its the sword in the photo that will be made for $300. The AT1315, with fuller, leather over cord wrapped handle, etc. ShooterMike and I had a minor miscommunication. In that case, I'd most likely be a yes. Skalman, longswords are more pricey than single handers as they use more steel and generally require more material to make. That said, it's not impossible to cup your hand over the pommel of a sinfle hander and go all out butchering bottles with a pseudo-two handed grip. I believe a disk pommel wouldn't be "too" hard to work with, although pointier ones like the cocked hat and the typical viking pommels can really hurt. I also prefer the bastard sword type, but a good-looking longsword has yet to be added to my collection - and as Rammstein says, you can always grip the pommel for extra torque or if your sword arm is getting tired. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 17:43:56 GMT
Skalman, longswords are more pricey than single handers as they use more steel and generally require more material to make. That said, it's not impossible to cup your hand over the pommel of a sinfle hander and go all out butchering bottles with a pseudo-two handed grip. I believe a disk pommel wouldn't be "too" hard to work with, although pointier ones like the cocked hat and the typical viking pommels can really hurt. Well in that case, a "semi-comfortable" pommel would be substitute enough... This might get very interesting, and by christmas time, i'll have plenty of time to save up money! You can count my "maybe vote" as an almost certain "yes vote". Nice, Gus! |
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Post by rammstein on Jul 27, 2007 17:48:19 GMT
Seems like we have +/- 10 yes votes going on here then...
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Post by septofclansinclair on Jul 27, 2007 18:03:35 GMT
Maybe one could be a prize in the next SBG forum contest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 18:24:31 GMT
Just as a minor clarification, if this project gets off the ground, its the sword in the photo that will be made for $300. The AT1315, with fuller, leather over cord wrapped handle, etc. ShooterMike and I had a minor miscommunication. A resounding HELL YES! I'm going to start putting money away starting with my next paycheck just in case this comes to fruition. I'm keeping my fingers firmly crossed!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 18:41:52 GMT
Though this question keeps coming to mind:
If this sword will be that much cheaper, how much will be sacrificed in terms of overall quality?
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