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Post by Kumdoalan on May 11, 2012 9:31:13 GMT
once again, there are a bunch of fittings offered with this sword as found at the bottom of this page - www.ebay.com/itm/FUNCTIONAL-CLAY ... 3f17222708 I am searching for a non-sharp sword that also has the same fittings.
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 14, 2012 11:09:15 GMT
today i was able to contact a sword dealer and I may place an order this week.
I still worry about the problems with translations, and getting my point across...
The fact that Gmail changed its webpage is also giving me fits....
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 14, 2012 11:11:01 GMT
any updates?
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Post by DMikeM on May 14, 2012 15:47:14 GMT
I was informed it shipped last week but he never sent me the pictures that he said he would. Now it's just a waiting game. I really hope this blade will be at least 60% as good as stated I got a bad cut with my Musashi and hit the stand. It took the corner off the stand but put a pretty good bend in the blade. I made a set of blade braces used for correcting bends and pulled it out but I think I might have gotten a soft (bad blade) to begin with.
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 15, 2012 9:52:23 GMT
It takes about 2 weeks to arrive correct?
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Post by Sam H on May 15, 2012 12:17:55 GMT
Yet someone else blaming the blade being soft. You had a Musashi katana (probably made of 1045 steel to begin with) and you struck your cutting stand with a bad cut. Of course it took a set! I wouldn't expect any more of it than that. Even the 1060 steel blades from Musashi would have taken a set. You didn't get a bad blade, you just flubbed a cut. Take responsibility for your mistake and accept the fact that you bent your blade. Nobody else's fault but yours.
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Post by DMikeM on May 15, 2012 16:19:05 GMT
sam, you are quickly becoming a person I would put in my short list and understand how some could be frustrated by your comments. You have not handled this blade and I can tell you by how easy it is to bend by my hand it is very soft. I know I am strong but this blade is ridiculously soft and easy to bent with very little flex at all. The amount of wood I took off would fit in a bottle cap and we are not talking hardwood. Also it is a 1060 blade not a 1045 and the bottle cut at a perfect 45°angle. Next time you wish to wear my shoes find out what size I wear before putting them on or commenting on the style. www.trueswords.com/musashi-1060- ... -4315.html Kumdoalan, it takes 7 to 10 days so anywhere from today to the 21st I should have it.
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Post by DMikeM on May 15, 2012 16:44:28 GMT
Sam please have a look at the review and scroll down about half way to the section that says KNOWN ISSUES. In case you don't want to here is the context.
I never expected a golden egg for a hundred bucks, but I did hope for at least something that I could use for learning. But it is not even good for that IMO. It looks nice on the wall.
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Post by Sam H on May 15, 2012 18:40:49 GMT
I really don't care if I'm on your "short list" or whatever. As for my comments being frustrating - I just don't believe in mincing words. They're only frustrating because people don't want to hear that its their fault and not someone or something else's. The fact is you hit a stand with your cut. You claim the cut was a perfect 45 degree cut but nonetheless you hit your stand which means your cut wasn't perfect. In regard to your "style" I never mentioned it. I only mentioned that you'd blamed the blade instead of your own bad cut.
Now about the review - its true that not all blades are going to have consistently good heat treatment but if every bent blade in this category of blades was the result of poor heat treatment then it would seem to me that its not worth purchasing ANY katana in this price range since apparently over 50% of katana from this price range suffer from poor heat treatment.
Personally I've handled numerous Musashi brand katana ranging from the el-cheapo $50 katana to their more expensive katana ranging in prices up to $300. I've cut with many of them. In total I can recall at least 150 musashi katana going through my hands and I've cut with 50 of them since then went to friends and family so they were readily available. Of all those swords I had two, yes TWO, that could have been considered faulty in the way of heat treatment. How many of them have I bent? I personally caused one to bend and I've seen eight others take a set from a bad cut. Each time it was the fault of the user and not the sword.
I personally find it annoying with people and budget priced swords - whenever a sword bends because of a bad cut they blame the quality of the blade. Well you know what? You bought a budget sword. You want a sword that will stand up to your poor form and technique go spend ten grand on a mounted Clark L6 or maybe less on a MAS L6 sword. I believe people need to own up to the fact that they botched a cut and that's why the sword bent - whether its a Musashi, Masahiro, Munetoshi, Hanwei, Cold Steel etc. It all boils down to the fact that you botched the cut and as a result your sword bent. Some are more resilient to botched cuts than others but really its still YOUR fault. I'd be willing to bet that you don't even know enough about metallurgy to truly determine if it was the fault of the sword or not... btw speaking of metallurgy a DH blade is more prone to taking a set than a TH one and the 1060 blade you're talking about is a DH blade.
Now you can go on being defensive and continue to spread the blame on to an inanimate object or you can man up and accept the fact that YOU bent the blade because YOU made a mistake. Either way it doesn't bother me because its your sword and not mine. What does bother me is this propensity for the young people of today (and I'm really not that much older than you guys being only 36) never actually taking the blame themselves - always looking to blame someone or something else.
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Post by DMikeM on May 15, 2012 22:32:41 GMT
There is no question that it was a bad cut. But even a mild DH (Really SH "Selectively Hardened") should have handled the small bite into the wood base. Yes I knew it was a DH (as you call it) blade and knew I should have purchased a TH blade but being new to swords in general I didn't plan it out well. You have assumed I am some kid with no knowledge of metallurgy but you are wrong. I am just about to turn 50 and have been tinkering with metals since I was 15. No I never took a certified class and no I do not have the equipment to test the blade for hardness or flaws in the forging. It was supposed to be an HRC 55 hardness but I have doubts. As for the forge I am not willing to bisect the blade and put it in an electron microscope to prove my point on a blade that cost me less than 130 bucks. You don't always need expensive equipment to tell when metal is soft and not properly hardened, a good flex and a file can tell a great deal. And this blade just does not meet the standard implied on the website. And yes I could have been that 1 in 1000 guy that got a bad blade which I believe to be the case (you imply 1 in 25 might be bad). Bad cut or sliced it was me. But it should have been able to take it. That's my story baby and I am gonna stick to it.
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Post by Sam H on May 16, 2012 12:07:39 GMT
By my count and math its 1 in 75... and that's just to my memory. Of all the Musashi branded katana I've handled/sold/cut with only 2 have come back as possibly having faulty heat treatment. I know I've handled more than 150 but that's all I can recall off the top of my mind. If I went back to my records I could get you an exact number but I doubt its worth it in this case. You can twist the data all you want but the truth is there and easy to see.
As for the rest of your story - if it helps you sleep at night then go ahead.
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Post by DMikeM on May 16, 2012 13:12:47 GMT
sam, never had any troubles sleeping. You? Kumdoalan got my huawei custom TH 9260 No-Bohi, katana yesterday and it is pretty nice. Very plain, black battlewrap over white same, black double d-ring Musashi Tsuba. The blade seems deep from spine to edge. The finish on the blade is just shy of mirror with a couple of slight blemishes, but I can fix all that. It really feels nice in the hands but I need to get used to the extra weight in the blade. When I get time I will post the pictures I took.
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 17, 2012 10:56:40 GMT
that sword is on my short list of ones to get next.... I have just a few swords on my little list of ones to seek .
I got already my dream sword...and I got my working sword to learn to cut with... I still am thinking about getting a non-sharp sword to be able to do Kata with without any danger...and then their is the sword you got yesterday that I think would be a great one to hand to friends or new students without fear a wrong strike will destroy the blade.
I also have in the back of my mind the idea of getting a Ryan Sword and passing it around to other members of this forum to get some current data on that maker out so that we all are on the same page on that whole issue.
I also would like to look into getting a sword that is made out of two or more steels of different hardness...
and finally I would like to get a bare blade made out of iron sand for display only.
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Post by DMikeM on May 17, 2012 15:44:37 GMT
Well your short list looks longer than my full list. I may just get one or 2 more. A Tenchi, Mokko or the Cheness O-Katana then another from Jacky or if you get a Ryan and it turns out ok I may try one of his. I really want an O-Kat but I want it to be a DF blade with a really prominent Hamon.
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 18, 2012 1:25:29 GMT
As of this moment I dont really have any plans to get a sword by Ryan...the bad rep and all...
But there may be a way to kill two birds with one sword as far as my dream list goes...LOL...
Anyone know if Ryan Swords sells a non-sharp Katana under $100 ?
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 18, 2012 1:27:06 GMT
why want the O-Kat?
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Post by DMikeM on May 18, 2012 2:05:47 GMT
Just because it is a big sword. I am 5'10" so it is actually a little big for me but I like the way they look. As a collectors item mostly.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 18, 2012 2:16:56 GMT
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 18, 2012 9:59:37 GMT
well, my situation is this: Im looking down the road and I believe that I may need a non-sharp sword that looks a lot like my sharp T-10 for demonstration reasons.
Now the T-10 was $300 and so I dont want to spend that kind of cash on a non-sharp sword... But, if i can order a non-sharp sword somewhere that looks very much like my T-10 as seen from a slight distance of about 20 feet or so....
THEN, that would be what Im looking for.
I will have a look at the Ryan Swords link and snoop around a bit to see if Ryan Swords can get me the type of non-sharp sword Im thinking of getting?
It actually would be an interesting topic to have a sword to pass around to a few of my friends here on the forum...they would have to promise to send it back!...LOL And it would have to be strictly a "white glove only" type of thing...where no changes could happen to the sword so as to allow others to inspect and review the same sword in the very same condition as i got it in....so there could be no charge that we changed or damadged the blade.
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Post by johnwalter on May 18, 2012 13:46:32 GMT
Allan,I dont know if youve thought of this or if you would even like this idea.But what about having the Iaito made to the exact specs as your live blade,have the tsuka made with the same components,then just switch out the tsuba and saya from your live blade when needed.Heh,now that ive typed it out,it doesnt seem like a good idea anymore,lol. Or order your same fittings and get a cheaper Iaito somewhere else and remount it so it looks similar to your live blade from a distance.Swordnarmory have some very inexpensive Munetoshi Iaito.
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