Talon
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Post by Talon on Jan 25, 2012 19:01:12 GMT
yeah im with fallen on this tyre balancing weights should be perfect for bullet casting,and they're everywhere
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Post by MrAcheson on Jan 25, 2012 19:58:09 GMT
My apologies for bringing this early post back up, but my foolish pride is hurt. Yes that's a stupid reason to do it.
Funny I analyze firearms for a living. While that targetboard maybe be 230 yards away, it's huge. It dwarfs the 55 gallon drum it's leaned against, and those are 2 feet wide by 3 feet tall. It's probably about 3 feet by 5 feet. The long direction is in the vertical so you're still going to hit if you screw up the hold over for the bullet drop.
For comparison, the frontal area of a human brain is about the size of a 3x5 card. That's 3 by 5 inches and the long direction is in the horizontal. Screw up the bullet drop by a couple inches and you're off target. Your example of "look how accurate the shotgun can be" is a guy shooting at a target more than a hundred times as large as the hypothetical zombie brain at a couple hundred yards. Hickock's target actually has more frontal area than full-sized human being. Not good enough.
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Post by GUEST on Jan 25, 2012 20:22:26 GMT
Also if you have a rifled barrel and are using a saboted slug your accuracy goes way up. The only problem the rifled barrel isn't worth a damn with buckshot and bird shot.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 25, 2012 20:25:33 GMT
CORRECT! For the win. Wheel weights, when melted with or without the clips left on, are exactly a primo lead alloy for casting lead alloy bullets. Just another example of something that's routinely discarded today, that could become the new currency of value in a post-apocolyptic world. And I'm with MrAcheson on the accuracy analysis. Given a brain shot means hitting a playing card with the long side horizontal, hitting that with a shotgun slug is very iffy beyond about 25 yards. That's especially so if you're using a typical riot-type shotgun without rifle sights. Sure, dedicated slug guns with optics can to it out to 75-100 yards. But those shouldn't even be considered "shotguns" for our discussion purposes.
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Post by GUEST on Jan 25, 2012 20:43:54 GMT
I don't known about the rest of you, but I will be forming search and destory teams. Kill every zombie I can see up close far away, far away will be better. Couple of marksman to take them out 3 more team member for close in prodection. Of cousre I live in the country so it would be easier to do out here. Since this is the USA there is problaby enough ammo to kill all zombies more than 10 times over. There is enough 22LR ammo made every year to do it. No telling how much ammo the military has
As far as flame thrower go you can build one they are very simple weapons. LOVE the smell of naplam in the morning.
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Post by demonskull on Jan 25, 2012 21:46:20 GMT
Okay I'm in ! Now just a few questions, who do we send our stats to and is our word good enough or do we need photo/video documentation?
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Post by jhart06 on Jan 25, 2012 21:57:45 GMT
I wonder, relevant to the OP kinda... Is there a set 'survival kit' ideal? Weapons are assumed, so those you could include.. But from a light medical and metalworking background I find myself wanting a good field me kit and some basic repair tools for whatever weaponry is on hand.
Peroxide, Alcohol(rubbing and drinking, both have 'field' med value).. Some basic painkillers, epi pens, needles and thread for light wound closure, dressings(tape, gauze, wound pads)... Probably a splint or materials to make one, some ace bandages(seriously, these things are damned near medical duct-tape)... What else do youys picture as being your 'survival pack'?
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Post by ineffableone on Jan 25, 2012 22:46:38 GMT
Springfield Armory's M6 Survival rifle is probably the best survival rifle made. This rifle is a .22 cal, .410 cal over and under barrel configuration. With a bit of mods you can make these into a gun and survival kit. Like this inside the buttstock survival kit Two postings of the same M6 mods in different forums www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26871h ttp://www.perfectunion.com/vb/rifles-misc/66615-survival-rifle-review-springfield-m6-scout-22-410-a.htmlAnother good mod of the M6 is from youtube's Stealthcamper Sadly the M6 is no long in production. Springfield Armory goes through spurts of making them then not making them. Right now we are in a not making them. So to find one you have to find a used one. They are highly sought guns in the prep community so finding one could be difficult. The Henry AR-7 has become the secondary favorite, which breaks down and stores in it's own water proof buttstock. Though this rifle is only .22LR vs the M6 .22 cal & .410 cal www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-survival-ar7.cfm
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Jan 25, 2012 22:52:38 GMT
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 25, 2012 23:33:33 GMT
I'm with you there. I work on a live fire range a lot and always have a med kit (aka "blowout bag") that contains most of what you listed, plus a packaged "Ventilated Operator Kit (VOK)" and a couple of compression bandages. It contains most of the basic medic supplies for treating most "minor" battlefield injuries. One of these kits is a good start. www.tacticalresponsegear.com/cat ... ath=37_118 mobil-medic.com/index.php?act=vi ... oductId=78 These guys have a lot of good products: www.tacmedsolutions.comHave it all in one bag that's always ready to grab&go. Or you invariably won't have what you need when you need it.
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Post by chuckinohio on Jan 25, 2012 23:48:25 GMT
Are the new sticky backed adhesive tire weights the same alloy as the old clip ons??
Has anyone cast with the new types?
Anyone remember Linotype, or am I dating myself??
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jan 25, 2012 23:50:20 GMT
I'm in. I'm no good as a long range marksmen... so I'll serve in the close quarters protection detail. I got your back brother.
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Post by demonskull on Jan 26, 2012 2:37:26 GMT
My car kits are similar to the items already stipulated. My main kit, that remains in the house unless a bugout is needed, is kept in an old multi layered cosmetic case. The kit contains, bandages, peroxide, alcohol, adhesive tape, scissors, vitamins, antacids, aspirin, aleve, excedrin, burn cream, ice packs, safety pins, a field surgical kit, sutures, Quikclot (both the bandage and the direct apply type), a ton of other things I forgot at the moment and probably the most important a First Aid book.
I have never taken a first aid course (something I hope to remedy this year). I have read the manual completely and my daughter has taken a number of First Aid courses.
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Post by MrAcheson on Jan 26, 2012 16:22:55 GMT
Careful with those AR-7s. If you have one that works and is reliable, then good for you. Keep it. But that gun has been made by a lot of different companies over the years including Armalite and Charter Arms. In general the AR-7s do not have an especially good reputation for reliability.
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Post by GUEST on Jan 26, 2012 19:53:28 GMT
Actually I hate the movie Apocalype Now, I've tired several times to watch it all the wat through ever have beebn able too. Just love the one line.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 26, 2012 22:10:40 GMT
Yep, you're old...just like me. Linotype, aaahhh...wish I could find a few tons of that good ole stuff. I would get it all cast into bullets for my .45-70. Try the newish director's cut on BluRay. It's a whole 'nother movie. You still know how it's gonna end, but the trip is soooo much better. It's what that weirdly rambling and disjointed original version should have been.
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Post by ineffableone on Jan 26, 2012 23:36:41 GMT
Thanks for the warning. I personally am waiting to find a good deal on an M6 and wouldn't bother of the AR-7 I already have my .22 rifle so only would want a compact pack .22 if it were something special like the M6.
Good to know though the AR-7 has some issues, and not all are made equally well.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jan 27, 2012 1:14:38 GMT
if by my life or death i can slaughter the zombie hoards, i shall. You have my sword! and my AK-47!
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Post by chuckinohio on Jan 27, 2012 13:54:54 GMT
I figured that out of everyone here, you or Larry Jordan would chime in on the Linotype. :lol: It still pops up around here in Flea Markets, or at Antique shops occasionally. You'll see an old type drawer with some cast Linotype sets in it for sale, and they will usually sell the Linotype sets seperately. It's scarcer than finding someone who actually knows what a gas checked bullet is though. I flung several pounds of it all over the groundhog patch in an old .222 Rem years back. Sometimes I think I was far happier when I was young and ignorant, knowing nothing of 55 Gr ballistic tips or necked down .243 cases and the like.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 27, 2012 16:10:26 GMT
Ditto! I remember fond days spent whacking all manner of small game with a first-year production Winchester 9422M .22 Mag. Then I had to get a .22-250, then a .243, then a slew of tricked-out ARs in .223...all to do the same thing. So I just got an offer via email from Cheaper Than Dirt for an item that really fits this discussion...well, sorta. Check out this little item. A must for anytime one of us spoiled modern folk are thrust into a long-term survival situation. I think I should order a couple of hundred of them! Camp 275I'd hate surviving a Zombie Apocolypse without something like this. :shock:
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