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Post by Alexander on Jan 27, 2012 17:44:47 GMT
My vote is for the IAC Hawk 982. Comes with some good features and was two hundred out the door. I added a Red Line 220 lumen flash light and a Shotgun Technology plus1 round extension tube. Its a exact replica of the 870 with ghost ring sights and a Ic fixed choke.
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Post by kristoferjaemz on Aug 18, 2012 2:36:19 GMT
I realize I am bit late in adding to this thread, but I have to give everyone kudos for covering all sorts of apocalyptic topics here, from zombies to weapons, bug out bags to movies. I don't want to flog a dead horse, so I'll give a brief take on the whole thread, having just read it all and probably having already forgotten half of it. Zombies are bad, and swords and guns are viable solutions, if you know how to use them. Other, more creative options were mentioned, but aside from a brief mention of the crossbow in The Walking Dead, no one brought up archery...? Silent, deadly, distance, one of my first choices, along with a sturdy blade and a high cap semi auto. But that conversation has likely run its course. What I truly wanted to point out was that camp crapper on the previous page. Did anyone notice that it could accommodate up to 300 pounds? Seriously? If you wait that long to empty it, you deserve to have it burst all over you. But, then, maybe that's the idea... with you smelling like a pile of dung perhaps the zombies will fail to pick up your human scent. :roll: Anyway, rock on and I am more than willing to join anyone's anti-evil disposal squad when the shizzle hits the fan.
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 18, 2012 5:04:28 GMT
I seriously don't understand everyone's fascination with shotguns.
I blame Hollywood.
Also, don't expect 12g flares to get you rescued, they burn for a second at most, a friend of mine had a few. They fellate in a non good way pretty hardcore.
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Post by Sam H on Aug 18, 2012 15:28:48 GMT
Holy cow! Seven pages of replies in less than 12 hours! Zombies is a hot topic huh?
Anyway I'm just going to echo Mike and Fallen regarding the Zombie Shotgun. Pistol grip on a Mossberg is a pain in the ass. I have a Mossberg 500 that came with a thumbhole stock and while I love the way it feels I find it a pain to engage and disengage the safety. I had to learn to disengage the safety with my left hand when I shoulder the gun because my thumb on my right hand just CAN'T reach it.
That aside having everything hung on the gun is stupid. All that gear should be on your body! I'd prefer the light to NOT be on the pump too. I love a good shotgun but in a zombie problem I'll be reaching for a KISSed AR. Lighter, more ammo capacity, more ammo carrying capacity on me, more accurate at distance and just as effective at closer range with head shots (which is what you'd be aiming for with a shotgun anyway).
Oh and just because you shoot someone in the arm with a 12ga. with OO buckshot at less than 10 yards doesn't mean that their arm will get blown off. That's just the movies and I'd be disappointed if anyone actually believed that.
Newton's law is always in effect and is especially clear in regards to firearms. You're holding a firearm that weighs MAYBE 12lbs. loaded. Shouldered it doesn't negate much recoil. Instead the recoil is transfered from the weapon into your shoulder and body. It is your body's mass that then absorbs the kinetic energy from the actual propulsion of the projectile(s). What this means is that what YOU feel on YOUR shoulder is just a little less (due to the mass of the gun) than what the person getting hit by the shoulder would feel IF they got hit with something that covered the same area as the butt of your gun does. Instead projectile PENETRATES into your body and the initial strike doesn't carry the full impact force of the the recoil (less than the recoil). In fact your body doesn't get all of that energy till the bullet stops within the body (full energy dump), and while that seems quick to our perception, is too slow of an energy transfer for you to truly feel the full impact energy (kinetic energy) of the bullet. What does that mean? It means that a hit from a shotgun WON'T knock you down much less send you flying backwards 10 ft.
There's two things to be learned from this - if you shoot something/someone (any human size target) with any gun (aside from those ginormous elephant guns like a 600 nitro) you will have NO chance of actually knocking that target down unless its a steel human shaped plate set on a falling hinge. Even with guns like the 600 Nitro etc. you may not actually knock a target down from sheer impact alone. The other thing to be learned is that if you going to use physics as an argument make sure you really understand it. Before I dropped out of college I was double majoring in computer sciences and practical physics engineering. While I may not have a degree I have put some extensive study into the area of physics and kinetic energy. I doubt that the knowledge I do have has gone obsolete in the last 15 years.
I am absolutely sure I haven't shot/killed as many live targets with a 12ga. as Mike Harris or Fallen have but I have killed a fair amount of them, mostly birds (either hunting or dog training). I can tell you that even with a BIRD that weighs maybe 5 or so lbs max I've never seen them get "blown" away in the direction of the shot. I managed to shoot a duck (launched from a launcher for dog training purposes) at less than 10 yards. While the bird itself was mangled (the shot never left the wad so it struck as a solid projectile and exited as multiple projectiles) the bird continued to travel in the direction it was launched till it hit the ground dead. Got the point?
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 20, 2012 21:14:29 GMT
Actually...it was 7 pages in 6 days, in January. Then cold thread 'til August. But still an interesting thread. And it got me thinking all over again. This could be the basis for a great TEOTWAWKI/Zombie Apoc special purpose shotgun tool. Start with a Benelli Vinci. Register it as an SBS on an ATF Form 1 and pay the $200 tax. Then reshape the gun like this, for use as a "universal door key" type tool. Since all the springs and action are located forward of the receiver, you could really shape the grip area any way you want. It will handle any length 12 gauge shells, and the loading port is huge. This is one of the fastest and smoothest loading shotguns I have ever played with. This configuration can hold six 2 3/4" shells. Might have some interesting possibilities?...
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 21, 2012 4:20:47 GMT
Shotgun as entry tool? Meh, I'd rather bring an axe.
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 21, 2012 14:42:31 GMT
That poor young soldier needs some training in door breaching...and shotgun manipulation skills. Seriously?! Not knowing about the safety, and having to remove his glove to manipulate one of his weapon systems? :roll:
Shotguns and axes both work fine in some circumstances, when you use them correctly. Sometimes they both suck. BTW, you are frequently better served to blow the hinges instead of the locks.
Just thinking this little shotgun configuration would have multiple applications in a TEOTWAWKI happenstance. And this thread is about shotguns, right? Not my fovorite firearm. But I do use 'em every so often and like 'em.
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 21, 2012 16:03:16 GMT
Just wanted to point out that like any skill set, it needs to be learned. A traditionally styled automatic sawn off (as shown) is very appealing for cool factor. If you want to be a real cool guy operator though, you need a Saiga 12/Callahan Full Bore Autolock otherwise people won't take you seriously:
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 21, 2012 17:44:04 GMT
Cool pic. That would definitely be all the rage with mall ninjas the land over. All 12 lbs of it! Wonder how they'd slide that into a low-profile scabbard on their webgear?... :? Thought just occurred to me, re: the above pic of the chopped-down Vinci. Imagine a pair of those tucked into the red sash of a Blackbeard the Pirate-costumed zombie slayer! Along side his trusty cutlass and with burning slow-matches braided into his beard, of course. :twisted:
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Post by Talon on Aug 21, 2012 18:13:36 GMT
im sold ,just gotta dye my wig and grow out the beard but i like the idea (minus the slow matches)
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Post by Striderfly on Aug 21, 2012 19:46:35 GMT
Thats interesting. It always seems like the hinges take so much ammo. Some instructors say 3 rounds a hinge plus they are often hidden. I just keep thinking sheesh, lemme put 9 rounds in the knob breach. . . Why is this? I understand secondary latches / deadbolts, but most of the time you can see where those are. Do you teach both ways?
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 21, 2012 20:15:35 GMT
We teach both. 45-60 degree downward angle on low hinges and upward angle on high hinges, when they are on the outside. That shoots the center out of the hinges with one round in most cases, or shreds the screws that hold the hinge into the frame. Go for the locks at the same angle when the hinges are on the inside. Using angles allows the force to push the lock into the adjacent supporting area of the door structure, thus removing a lot of the support that holds the lock, and wrenching the closing bolt out of engagement with the jam. Without removing some of that structure around the lock, they can stay stubbornly in place, requiring multiple shots to get the job done. One of the things I find most useful on any kind of combat shotgun (kind of an oxymoron, that term) is a magazine tube that's 1-2 inches longer than the barrel. You place the tube hard against the door or door/jam junction to steady the shotgun and lock it in place and lean on it. That also provides an inch or two of "stand-off distance" between the contact surface and the muzzle. One of the big problems the young man in the video had was not getting the shot placement exactly where he wanted it. Notice him turn his head away just before pulling the trigger? Everyone does that if they have done this enough, as you get splatter on occasion. But putting the barrel hard up against the surface eliminates the stand-off distance that lets the breaching charge (if it's bird or buckshot) separate a little from the wad so it can shred the door. Otherwise, you're really just firing a slug into it. That's even a little bit of an issue with specialty breaching rounds. At least that's my two cents. Your mileage and experience probably varies. And if you're facing a steel security door with steel doorjam. Discount all the aforementioned and use an explosive breaching charge...or crawl in a window. :shock:
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 22, 2012 16:43:23 GMT
Oh come on! NO ONE with any comments on Blackbeard the Zombie-killing Pirate?! :shock:
I think he should be a character in the next Resident Evil movie. :idea:
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 22, 2012 18:12:43 GMT
Not tacticool enough. Operators want to be ninjas, not pirates.
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 22, 2012 19:08:15 GMT
AAARRRGH!!! Blast the luck, matie! On a totally non-related note, well almost. I just lucked into a new Benelli Vinci 12 gauge on GunBroker for barely over half the retail price. Should have it in a few days to begin setting up as my new 3-gun shotgun. Just waiting on Nordic Components to make the first batch of magazine extensions, get the shell carrier welded up, and massively bevel out the loading port. If it doesn't work out as the perfect 3-gun shotgun for me...well, there's always the Form 1 SBS route detailed above. In either case, it should be as good as it gets for an "anti-zombie" scattergun. Good times ahead!
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Post by kristoferjaemz on Aug 23, 2012 17:26:17 GMT
The essential zombie gun: Okay, maybe not. But it's funny.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 19:02:57 GMT
I can't believe no one has mentioned the ultimate z-day shotgun accessory... serrated tanto bayonet!!! :twisted: F*#k a bunch of flashlights. :roll: :lol: Attachments:
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Post by Striderfly on Aug 25, 2012 19:59:56 GMT
This sounds like a mother of a good find! I think that Vinci is such a cool looking design. I have heard that they are so smooth on the shoulder. Congrats on that.
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Post by birdman on Aug 26, 2012 1:46:00 GMT
I thought lever-action shotguns were allowed "Down Under" as well? If so, why not a Chinese copy of a Winchester 1887 shotgun? Cowboy action shooters seem to like them, if for no other reason than they are "different", but they still have as much magazine capacity as a pump.
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