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Post by jhart06 on Jan 24, 2012 2:54:41 GMT
I still think you guys are really forgetting how dry and flmmable zombies are.. I doubt they'll be mobile long.
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Post by ineffableone on Jan 24, 2012 3:07:16 GMT
Depends on the zombie jhart06. If it is a zombie risen from the graveyard, yes sure. If it is a zombie recently risen from the freshly dead, then still wet and gooey. Older zombies would light on fire easier, the recently dead would be more difficult since they would not have had their fluids drained and pumped with formaldehyde yet. Remember the key to kill a zombie, destroy the brain. Fire only works when it achieves this goal. That is why shotguns are such a common anti zombie weapon, they tend to destroy the brain pretty well.
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Post by brissybeater on Jan 24, 2012 4:15:22 GMT
Well here in Australia we cant have pumps or semi's only double/single barrells so a DB coach gun for me, lets hope zombies only present themselves two at a time here .
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Post by jhart06 on Jan 24, 2012 4:25:08 GMT
*shrugs* I want my zombie BBQ.. I already bought the apron!
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Post by ineffableone on Jan 24, 2012 4:38:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 8:58:09 GMT
Ok, with Newton's Law, so maybe one round may not have enough clout to knock over the person holding the shotgun, but what about three rounds??? :lol: Check this out!
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jan 24, 2012 12:53:51 GMT
Fake. she fell on purpose
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 13:27:54 GMT
...or out of stupidity, you don't pull the trigger when you're already off balance!!!
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Post by GUEST on Jan 24, 2012 13:44:31 GMT
Yes fake or off balance, before my wife's accident she could rapid fire her Remington model 1100 tactical shotgun very fast all 8rds with ever moving backwards at all. It all depends on how you brace yourself, take a good forward stance and you wrong have touble firing shotguns or full auto weapons.
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Post by lamebmx on Jan 24, 2012 14:22:05 GMT
Gotta throw some pennies out on the poker table here.
All this talk about which gun is better blah blah blah. I say the shooter with the best gun for the shooter. Take a pistol show shooter. bam 6 headshots in less time than it takes you to load a shell into the shotgun. Take you average american hunter, and he will perform better with what he hunts best with, statistically speaking I believe thats the shotgun but dont quote me son. Take recent ex soldier, odd are they would be best with a carbine. Dont try and hand the sniper a BAR, and dont try to hand the automatic rifleman a Rem 700. But give them both what they are best with, and you are looking at hurdred of yards around you zombie free!
Next up, guns go bang and zombies have ears. I watched an episode of the walking dead, after they left atlanta. trapped on the highway and they hid. what good was all them guns? no good. A paltry 30 zombies. 1 sword and Id only break a sweat if it was 100 degrees out. pits mighta got a little moist.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jan 24, 2012 14:44:09 GMT
Sword AND Gun....None of the zombie movies ever get it right!
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Post by lamebmx on Jan 24, 2012 14:45:18 GMT
Sword THEN gun
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Post by Odingaard on Jan 24, 2012 14:50:15 GMT
I thought about this for a bit, and though I do have a shotgun, I doubt very seriously I'd reach for it in any type of zombie scenario. Here are the reasons why? 1. Ammo is too bulky/heavy. I could carry a hell of alot more 9mm, 5.56mm, or even .22LR ammo than I could 12ga. 2. 12ga is too messy. Every shoot something close range with a 12ga? You would get bloodborne pathogen all over you. 3. Most shotguns lack decent round capacity. Most hold between 4-7rds in the mag tube. Sure, you can buy an expensive 30rd drum magazine for a Saiga, but then you go back to the 12ga ammo is heavy fact. Where would you even carry a spare drum magazine at? 4. A shotgun reloads slower than a semi-auto rifle or pistol. Even with a speed loader, you can drop an AR or Glock magazine and get a new one in faster than you can load a shotgun. 5. Short-barrel rifles and semi-auto pistols are generally more compact and easier to carry. I have seen cut down Saigas with drum magazines and pistol grips which are pretty compact, but, then it comes back to the 12ga ammo is heavy and the reloading speed. 6. Shotguns are inaccurate at longer ranges when compared to rifles. I can hit a man-size target center mass with a 12ga slug at 50 meters, and that is it for my accuracy. I can hit a man-sized target at 300 meters with iron sights with an AR15, and up to about 500 meters with a good varible power optic. Sure, I have seen really excellent shots do well with a shotgun at a longer range, but as for me...I can't hit a bullseye at 350 yards with a 1oz slug with a tricked out shotgun, so I don't reckon I'd aim to try at this juncture in my life. So for me, no shotguns used in the zombie apocalypse. I'd stick with other platforms.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 15:05:46 GMT
Best solution is two guys with winged spears and three guys with swords - teamwork! You pin the zombies at a safe length, winged spears stop them running up the spearshaft, and the other three sword wielders go chopping!
Kind of reminds me what the Chinese did to Japanese katana wielding pirates, should work even better on zombies:
Great idea, tangle them up in the bamboo trees, skewer them, and hack them up with sabers under shield cover. If anything escapes, the guys with tridents pin them down in a hurry! Sounds like a great strategy for dealing with the living dead. And it's all pretty quiet, other than the gentle rustling of bamboo leaves...
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 24, 2012 21:21:57 GMT
Summing up all the previous arguments I agree with, just for the fun of it: The shotgun in the OP is a classic case of "hang everything but the kitchen sink on it" and not particularly well thoughtout. Shotguns, and especially their ammo, are heavy and not optimal for Zombieland, but they will work it you do. Knowing how to use whatever you have is the most important aspect. Just for grins, and because I think Jesse Abbate is soooo hot and talented, here's an eye candy video that's pretty damned informative too. I believe she'd account for herself well...as long as the ammo held out. Unsupressed firearms (and some suppressed ones too) make noise, which can attract more of the walking dead. Good blades work for a long time and don't make as much noise, and "have ammo" (stay sharp and functional) a lot longer. And can be resharpened (reloaded) if you have the tools. *Everyone should fight with what they know how to use* This one seems most important to me.
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Post by lamebmx on Jan 24, 2012 21:40:20 GMT
Not to mention, in times when ammunition factories are dim, and most of the stores are looted. Each blade kill saves at least on bullet for another time and another place where that one bullet may be the difference between enjoying a steak later on or enjoying your neighbor later on.
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Post by brissybeater on Jan 24, 2012 22:49:27 GMT
With the whole transmitted pathogen element of zombies I would agree with the flamethrower. But not many people can get flame throwers . Blades I would be pretty hesitent unless you were wearing an NBC suit to protect the skin and mucus zones of your body from any zombie matter. I like Walking Dead series but when ?daryll?, the redneck uses his crossbow to headshot zombies there is risk of contamination and he seems to hunt with the same bolt and doesnt seem to go through thorough cleaning. Firearms are best to ensure that when the gunk flies none of it splatters on you. I think a bit more like 28 Days Later when there was a paranoia about the blood; "Did it get in your mouth, your eyes, a cut". The first partner at the start cuts himself on glass and he gets hacked to death by the chick because the risk was to narrow. So I would go with agree with whatever your trained in, just make sure it fires bullets and has a moderate magazine 5 rounds or more. WW2 rifles in good order would be good BECAUSE if they did get close a long bayonet could really help keep them skewered back if retreat cant be done or if you stab them through the eye socket into the brain, well job done. I would use spear or mounted bayonet if I ever had to go steel on undead. Failing that guns. First order is run, its so easy just to avoid and hey you run about 3 times faster than their speediest shamble.
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Post by lamebmx on Jan 24, 2012 23:35:32 GMT
Well since they need to break skin, the skin obviously stops it. I agree with mucus membranes protection though. Doubled up handkerchief will keep the goo outta the mouth n nose and safety goggles to keep it out of the eyes. Layer one stop the bulk of the goo amd layer 2, quickly moistened by your breath and there fore less permeable to stop any thing from getting sucked the rest of the way in while breathing.
Since it dont get absorbed through the skin, the same bolt is fine until he gets a paper cut on a finger tip. But I agree that it is bad form. Better to keep up on the cleanliness the get screwed by a scratch you didnt even notice.
The ancient alchemists dreams will come true. Post apocalypse, lead will be gold. So you stick to you plan, Ill stick to mine, and ill trade you a bullet for 15lbs of good meat & 1lb salt. While your at it pick me up some aspirin (I am sure even the zombie apocalypse will not stop the significant others from excessive talking) and a heineken and ill put your blades back in functional order as much as possible for their condition. Great, see you about 1 year into the apocalypse!
Edit: This post does have me thinking quite a few cases of various common rounds might be worth the funds. Value will skyrocket after wall street goes dark.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 25, 2012 18:16:11 GMT
Slightly...well, pretty significantly divergent ramble:
At least in the U.S. where firearms are plentiful - Assuming lead becomes the new gold, then loaded ammo becomes the new dollar. It seems to me that a person might do well to stock reloading supplies, specifically primers and powder, along with compact and portable reloading tools, for the most common calibers. Don't forget the bullet molds and bullet lube for casting bullets to reload most common calibers. I believe I'd go with 4-6 bullet molds and sizer/lubricators in the following diameters, to accomodate the listed calibers:
.308" RN for low velocity loads in .308 Winchester, .30-06, .30-30, and pretty much any other .30 caliber rifle round. .355" 125 gr truncated cone design to accomodate 9mm Luger, .38 Super other 9mm oddballs and some light loads for .38 Special. .357" 158 gr SWC for .38 Special and .357 Magnum. .401" 180 gr truncated cone for .40 S&W, 10mm Auto and .38-40. .429" 240 gr SWC for .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .44 Russian, and .44-40. .451" 225 gr truncated cone for .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Schofield, and .45 Auto Rim
To go along with this, where do you get the proper lead alloy? What makes a good cast bullet? This is kind of a trick question, just to test everyone's knowledge of making ammo. There is a single best source of material to make cast bullets, that's found in most every town and city.
What is it?
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Post by GUEST on Jan 25, 2012 18:48:03 GMT
Since I've casted alot of bullets I would say tire shops.
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