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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 5, 2011 6:27:22 GMT
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 14, 2011 0:56:22 GMT
I forgot to post them here, but I also redesigned the rest of Paolini's swords; you can see them here, in my design thread. However, since I don't want to mix them with this post's topic, I'm only linking them. A few hours ago, Nihontoman, posted a thread in the design section wanting to see if anyone could redesign Guts' Dragon Slayer from the manga series Berserk since he's not that great at drawing. Well, I had the free time, so here's what I came up with: Overall Length: 45" Blade Length: 35" Blade Width: 3" at the base; 2.4" right before the point taper Grip Length: 7" Guard Width: 5" (2" long) Even with my reductions, it's still really huge considering the wide blade and almost complete lack of profile taper (for comparison, my recent fishtail XIV design that I tried to keep as close in dimension to the real thing as possible exhibits profile taper of 1.4" and is almost a foot shorter overall). I tried to give it as much distal taper as possible while starting from relatively thin stock (1/8"), but I've got no real idea how to do distal taper properly. It's probably futile, but I'm also hoping the massive guard and pommel would at least make it somewhat swingable. You can see more about it here in Nihontoman's thread.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 15, 2011 4:12:51 GMT
Am I the only one actually bothering with this thread anymore? :lol: Anyways, I got bored and happened to come across that horrid Valyrian Steel licensed replica of Ice; you know... This atrocity: I apologize for subjecting you to that, but I needed to make a point. Feeling like I needed a shower, I decided to redesign it. The only thing I could find out about Ice, description wise, without thumbing through the book (which isn't very convenient since I moved my bookcase into the living room after the AC fiasco) was that it was a greatsword taller than an adolescent Robb Stark and the blade, which was a smoky gray, was wider than a man's hand. So, going off just that, I created this: Overall Length: 56" Blade length: 45" Blade Width: 3.4" at the base; 2.4" at the tip taper Grip Length: 8" (each leather wrapped section is 3.5"; the gold ring in the center is 1" wide) Pommel Length: 2.5" Guard Width: 9.8" I kept the ring in the center of the grip from the replica only because I have a bit of a soft spot for hilts with them. The pommel is a slightly elongated Type T3 while the guard best resembles a Style 10. The blade is, for the most part, complete fantasy, but if I had to call it anything, I'd call it a massive XIIa with a reinforced point. For those curious, the fuller is actually 1.6" wide, so it's about as wide as most swords (it's also 41" long).
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Post by MOK on Oct 19, 2011 18:53:49 GMT
Ice looks cool. *rimshot* Certainly better than the official replica - the parallel-edged blade on that one just looks clumsy as all hell. I might go for a longer and more substantial grip, though. With a 45-inch blade that broad, that's a hell of a lot of sword in one package! Here's my latest thing: a Martian longsword, from the Barsoom stories by Edgar Rice Burroughs. The funny thing about this is, it's really more of an alternate take than a redesign. The long sword is part of the standard armament of a Martian warrior, along with a dagger, a short sword, a lance, a pistol and a long rifle. In the original stories these weapons are given essentially no description at all apart from the basic workings of the guns and their explosive projectiles, although I think it safe to assume that the long swords are longer than the short swords. The iconic designs come from the awesome paintings of Frank Frazetta, one of which was made reality by Albion a while back. But while I'm a huge fan of Albion's hilt, especially the less shiny non-limited edition, I really would've preferred the less excessively tapered blade shape from the cover of Thuvia, Maid of Mars. And then, Barsoom is an entire planet with dozens of very distinct cultures, and there's bound to be more than one type of long sword, especially considering that Carter got his first sword from the green Martians, who stand about fifteen feet tall - so here's my take on what that one might have been like, a rather more massive two-handed weapon that Carter with his Earthling super-strength would've easily used in one hand (the green Martians themselves have four hands, so a two-handed design makes sense). It's fifty inches long overall, with a 38-inch blade (36.5 if you only count the actual sharp edge) and an 8-inch grip (plus 3.5 inches of very grippable ball pommel). I copied Albion's fantastic green-and-bronze color scheme, although my rendition really doesn't do justice to the wonderful uneven finish of their bronze hilt. The blade is 2 inches wide at the base and tapers to 1.6 inches before the point. It has a hexagonal cross-section and could probably be classified as a large type XIX but for the lack of a ricasso and the long fuller - in fact, the forte has two fullers, until the central ridge suddenly fades out about halfway down the blade and they combine into one. The guard is somewhat complex, combining katzbalger style S-shaped quillons with a knucklebow and two finger rings. I could have saved myself a lot of trouble had I not thought to make the quillons slope towards the pommel a bit, which did make the whole a lot more dynamic-looking but also made them hell to plan out in perspective... The grip is green leather, probably from one of Barsoom's hairless beasts of burden so it's quite smooth, but the core underneath is carved with a spiral pattern to improve grip. There's a bronze ferrule at the bottom end of the grip and a broader one in the middle. The pommel is spherical, with a long "neck" that adds several more inches to the grip. And of course it really needs a sheath, because in the sweltering hot daytime the people of Barsoom use no clothes aside from jewelry and a system of straps and pouches in lieu of pockets - you seriously don't want to carry a naked blade while naked yourself! I'm not all that happy with the locket, to be honest: I had to shape it to fit the guard, of course, but it looks kinda fiddly. A leather "rain guard" might have been better.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 19, 2011 19:13:00 GMT
That thing is gorgeous, MOK! I still need to figure out a proper way to do complex hilts. As for Ice, I actually did a revision to it soon after that one when the hilt issue was brought up. I posted it in my design thread, but never really got around to posting it here: Overall Length: 51" Blade Length: 40" Blade Width: 3.2" at the base; 2" at the tip taper Grip Length: 8" (divided into two sections of 3.6" each; the ring has been reduced from 1" to .8") Pommel Length: 2.5" (2.6" wide at the points) Guard Width: 10" I also made the grip noticeably more substantial. I did base it in part on the Martin approved version, but I gave it a hexagonal cross-section and a much wider fuller. A fuller's primary purpose is to reduce weight and this beast could use it. At just over 4' long overall and a 3.2" blade that only narrows to 2" before the tip, it'd be a heavy, unliftable monster without it.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 19, 2011 19:20:40 GMT
100% improvement MOK, you should try to do the fathers sword and original atlantean for semprinis and giggles
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 19, 2011 21:32:38 GMT
Got a surprise for this thread when my internet is up. It's not a 'classic' per se, but its certainly a fantasy sword! Can't have Vincent putting me to shame like this!!
That said, I love the Martian bit from Mok, and need to see about that series someday.
And, as Vince knows, I'm a huge fan of his latest redesign on Ice. Big enough I've asked a local smith who is helping me out to better teach me pattern welding, and how to get that 'smoky' color. And thanks to Chrisperoni,
I'll likely even add 'winter is coming' in furthark/norse runes down the blades center, leafing in copper or bronze to help the words stand out after engraving/etching...
Big thanks and blunt object to the head for vince here on several recent designs.
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Post by Unit731 on Oct 20, 2011 9:46:00 GMT
I like that. If I had the money, I would get this custom made (of course with your permission first) like, right now.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 20, 2011 13:37:30 GMT
Whelp, I have one design done, but still contemplating fixing it up. It's a recreation of Tam al'Thors heron-marked blade. Not very happy with it. The other will remain quiet, for now I have close to 6 Wheel of Time designs being worked on, primarily because my wife just got us books 1-11 on audiobook, and the 'New Spring' prequel. And I'm getting fitted for my A'shaman coat! Callandor is annoying as heck though >.<
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 22, 2011 7:38:17 GMT
J mentioning that he was doing Tam al'Thor's Heron Mark sword reminded me that I've been wanting to do that very thing forever; in fact, I've been contemplating what it would cost to buy the Windlass Heron Mark and ship it off to Sonny for a new grip of dark blue leather with risers, cord markings, and a bronze heron pressed into the grip, similar to the French Knight by Castle Keep. Since I can't do that for some time, I figured I'd Tam's sword the way I pictured it. Overall Length: 39" Blade Length: 30" (the previous one was actually 29.5") Blade Width: 1.5" at the base; 1 5/16" at the kissaki Grip Length: 6" Pommel Length: 2" Guard Width: 4.5" Oddly, I pictured it with more of a straight grip like on the Windlass version, but given how Rand uses it for the majority of the first book, I thought the segmented grip suited it much better.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 22, 2011 12:26:26 GMT
A'shandaeri has a rough form.. The blade is a bit skinny for me, but I based it off the Paul Chen/Hanwei naginata.
Vince, I'm working on the old tongue inscription, but how would I do the ravens? Same way?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 22, 2011 12:56:42 GMT
Same way. You can adjust the size to whatever looks best afterwards.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 22, 2011 13:34:24 GMT
This old tongue inscription on the haft is driving me batty!!
On the upside, the internet is back at my house. Probably go home and loose myself on xbox live tonight, and get cracking on the WoT stuff.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 26, 2011 5:33:12 GMT
MOK did it near the beginning of this thread, well here I am doing it again. Say hello to the Kurgan: 43" overall, 33" blade, 6" tang held in place by two cutler's rivets, breaks down into three pieces, and concealed in a velvet lined and padded guitar case. It even has the springblades in the guard. More about it in my design thread.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 18:04:42 GMT
My redesign of Brisingr from the Inheritance cycle. (Sorry about the quality. I did it in paint.) Attachments:
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Dec 18, 2011 2:18:12 GMT
An interesting concept, Larry, but doesn't really match the description in the least.
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Post by Aaron on Dec 18, 2011 5:17:02 GMT
To be fair, Vincent, your own design deviates from the book design. The beauty of books as a medium is that we don't all have the same vision in our mind's eye. If we did there would be little point in sharing....
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Dec 18, 2011 5:30:34 GMT
True, true. I was more thinking of the fact that it's described as having blued fittings and a slightly longer than normal grip, making it just barely a hand-and-a-half sword. Other than that, I actually like what Larry came up with. It's got a nice sturdy feel to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 19:31:09 GMT
Thanks as its a redesign thread I just kinda went with I thought looked cool and personal preference if it were my sword. its still a hand and a half with a medium length blade but I think the gold is nice.
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Post by kasim18 on Dec 24, 2011 16:59:16 GMT
i was kinda thinking brisingr might look something like the movie zarroc, but all blue black and silver, for me, the leather grip would be better than the wood in the book
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