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Post by MOK on Apr 19, 2011 4:01:49 GMT
I was reminded of this by another thread in the Members' Designs forum... .jpeg) Yeah, the Heavy Metal 2000/ F.A.K.K. sword. Sure it's silly and all, but I've always kinda liked that thing. It looks really mean. But it wouldn't work as a real sword, so let's do this thing!    46 inches long overall, with a 31-inch blade and a 12-inch grip with a very large D-shell guard. I kept most of the spikes, because they're a prominent part of the whole look, but toned them down some and removed the ones on the grip. That long projection at the back of the blade, I have no idea what it's supposed to be for, if anything, so I ditched it, but maintained the general lines by turning it into a clipped point and a couple of narrow fullers instead. I also moved the grip a little off center, to keep it in line with the main fuller and the point. The pommel is still spherical, and still sports a spike I'm worried might hurt myself, but it's a marked improvement on the original's rather more suicidal adornment even so. Is it just me, or does the blade look kinda like a grown up Paul Chen Pathfinder Bowie to you, too? Anyway, I'm fairly sure this would be usable. And I think it still looks METAL, so, success! What do you say? |
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Post by MOK on Apr 20, 2011 12:00:33 GMT
Right, and my quick redesign looked nothing like the sword in the movie. Now, one thing I personally think is important in this kind of project is to try and keep the general overall feel and the prominent elements that make the original design iconic, and incorporate them into a more realistic and/or historically plausible yet still recognizable design, instead of just making something up out of whole cloth. So here's a more faithful version of Buliwyf's sword, with some more thought put into it.    This thing is an even 50 inches overall, with a pattern-welded 37-inch blade of type Xc (according to the Oakeshott-Hollywood extended typology) and a 10-inch leather-wrapped grip with a metal spacer in the middle. The blade starts out 2.8 inches wide and tapers down to 2 inches right before the point, with 50% distal taper as well (look at the cross-sections above; that's pretty significant taper, yet not enough to detract from the sheer imposing size of the blade).  The scabbard is leather over wood, with a riveted steel chape and a bone baldric slide. I don't think you'd want to carry this hanging from a belt - you could, but it'd be awkward.  And one more closer view of the Petersen type H hilt. The relatively heavy guards and pommel are of plain steel, with thick, flat silver wire separating the upper guard and the pommel. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 15:49:40 GMT
when i read this thread i knew i just had to draw one, so here it is. my ten minute take (actually 12 minute) on the kit rae kilgorin sword [a href="  "] [/a] fail!!!! this word exists [a href="  "] [/a] |
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Post by MOK on Apr 21, 2011 22:53:28 GMT
They make it in two versions, huh? And it takes the exact same approach as you to making the sword more plausible, too... Hey, I'd take that simply as proof that your idea is legit.  Also, see that people? I'm not the only one who can do this! Just believe in yourselves, damnit!  |
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Post by Elheru Aran on Apr 21, 2011 22:58:19 GMT
I'd get into this but I'm too lazy  Kidding... anyway, I think that plainer version of that Kit Rae sword is actually the first version they made, when his more jagged types showed up and started being more popular with the wall-hanger crowd they redesigned the older ones to give them more bling. I'd contest that this is a 'classic' fantasy sword, too... |
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Post by MOK on Apr 21, 2011 23:24:34 GMT
Just think of it as another way to look busy while procrastinating.
Well, yeah - it's been around for a while, and it's certainly fantastic (as in the opposite of realistic), but whether it's an actual classic seems arguable at best...
OK, here's another tough nut to chew on, folks: how about the tri-sword, from The Sword & the Sorcerer? The way I see it, the main considerations in creating a new one would be:
1) it has three blades, and
2) the extra two involve some kind of underhanded mechanical trick.
Suggestions, anyone?
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Post by WMicke on Apr 22, 2011 16:37:24 GMT
Damn you MOK!!!!
LOL... I could care less about the tri-blade from Sword & Sorcery... but now you've got me craving a reproduction of the "Glaive" from Krull!!!
Arguably it doesn't fall into this category... it's definitely NOT a sword and other than the little blades on the tips that flick out like switchblade tips... it seemed at least semi-reasonable (then again pretty much anything seems reasonable next to some of those Kit Rae SLO's)... but I wonder what could be done with that.... Hmmmm
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Post by MOK on Apr 22, 2011 18:55:23 GMT
I thought of that one earlier, but the only "improvement" I could think of was turning it into an anime-style oversized star shuriken... although now it occurs to me maybe we could do a switchblade version of sorts of those funky African throwing knives.
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Post by Talon on Apr 22, 2011 19:11:45 GMT
tri sword so yeah,for me id love to see what design you come up with (a much higher priority than the glaive) :lol: |
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Post by JohnE on Apr 22, 2011 19:28:14 GMT
Why did it take me so long to find this thread?! This is fun! Now I just have to decide what sword(s) to redesign.
EDIT: Any requests/suggestions?
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Post by Talon on Apr 23, 2011 19:23:20 GMT
tough one john :? MOK'S already designed 2 of my favoirite swords (kurgan and buliwyf) and hopefully he's busy on the tri sword (insert subtle hint here  ) hmmmmmm, well the only thing that springs to mind is,in reaper man by terry pratchett,deaths successor wield's what is described as something that could have been a scythe once long ago,but has morphed into something else (not the exact words,but you get the gist of it) thats always interested me a scythe that has advanced into something totally new thats all i can think of,not as important as a re designed tri sword though |
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Post by MOK on Apr 23, 2011 21:54:14 GMT
I have one request, for whoever feels like tackling it: the Dalcassian ax of Black Turlogh O'Brien. Turlogh Dubh is an 11th Century Irish warrior of the Dalcassian tribe of O'Brien, who stars or features in a number of semi-historical stories by Robert E. Howard. He takes part in the Battle of Clontarf in "The Grey God Passes", pursues Viking raiders in "The Dark Man", and visits the Americas in "The Gods of Bal-Sagoth". The ax was made by Turlogh himself, and he hangs on to it as to life itself. It's fairly well described in "The Dark Man": If it helps, the story takes place three years after Clontarf (alluded to at the end of the first paragraph quoted), in the spring of 1017. It seems exceedingly difficult to find historical information on these axes, but I have located one reference: a description of the weapons used by the Irish clans written by Gerald of Wales, cited in History of Clare and the Dalcassian Clans of Tipperary, Limerick and Galway: I am aware of only one instance where this weapon has been illustrated, the 2001 anthology Bran Mak Morn: The Last King, illustrated by Gary Gianni. This is also the one instance where Gianni has disappointed me, especially following his wonderful work on Savage Tales of Solomon Kane.  Tell me, does that look like a slim and light-looking one-handed axe to you? Graceful? Spiked? With a reinforced haft? The only thing right about it is the thong attaching it to his wrist. Hell, even the guy holding it doesn't look like Black Turlogh at all... And try as I might, I've just never gotten the hang of axes. Their shapes continue to elude me. So please, someone, redesign this one for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2011 8:14:25 GMT
does the halo energy sword count ?, i'd love to do a remake on that one.
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Post by MOK on Apr 25, 2011 8:38:22 GMT
Well, that thing's not really a sword at all, it's a short-range plasma generator... but if you replaced the magnetically contained plasma fields with a steel blade...
It'd be a sort of katar-type thingy, wouldn't it?
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Post by MOK on Apr 26, 2011 16:55:27 GMT
Right, so, I figured out one way to do Talon's tri-bladed sword.  This will look very little like the sword in the movie. Mainly because the film design is crude and just plain butt-ugly - this was the sword of a king, for crying out loud, it should have some elegance about it. That said, I did try to keep enough of the old look to make it distinct, most of all with the pommel.   The new tri-sword is 48 inches overall, with a 35.5-inch blade, including a massive-looking but mostly hollow 4.5-inch ricasso, and a 9.7-inch grip. The fairly large pommel is a truncated cone, round in cross-section. The main blade's cross-section is a deeply fullered hexagon; the side blades are plain hexagonal. The only way I could think of to make the extra blades functional was to turn them into ballistic knives instead of full-size swords, so they're now 7-inch daggers propelled by spring-loaded mechanisms housed in the ricasso. They should be short enough to not get in the way of using the main blade, and the 4-inch tangs provide enough gripping room that you can still use them on their own (heck, I liked the interrupted knife fight earlier in the film; they should've used the final showdown to finish it).  The original sword has four crossguards, one in the plane of each blade and one perpendicular to them. I went for faceted siderings, instead. Not only does it look better, the rings also provide better protection (especially since they don't leave the sword when you fire the side blades) and work as triggerguards for the triggers of the spring-blades. You can see the levers running down the sides of the ricasso in the side and front views, above, and the spoon-shaped triggers themselves in the top view of the guard, below. The far end of each lever has a peg that catches onto that hole at the dagger's shoulder when the daggers are pushed into the "barrels", compressing the springs that will propel them; the levers are hinged about halfway down the ricasso so that when the spoon-shaped end is pressed towards the cross with your thumb, the other end lifts and releases the dagger.  |
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Post by Talon on Apr 26, 2011 17:27:03 GMT
 ok i jest :lol: ,you do have a point (damn i hated admitting that) im actually very impressed MOK,i never thought you'd come up with a design that could still have a feasible release mechanism (and one that could actually work to boot) i would never have thought of switching from sword blades to ballistic knives ,and a very elegant design +2 karma heading you're way
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Post by MOK on Apr 26, 2011 17:56:01 GMT
Thanks! Glad you like it. I'm still not happy with how blocky the ricasso looks, although the exposed levers do break it up a little... oh well, it does provide nice, big, flat surfaces for some royally intricate engravings or inlays. Or you could extend the grip wrap to cover it and emboss some suitable decorations on the leather - I think that could be pretty sweet.
PS. Said and done! I just updated the pics to show an oval ricasso with leather wrap. Personally, I like it a lot better - it goes great with the siderings.
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Post by Talon on Apr 27, 2011 19:23:37 GMT
agreed ,much better,i like the idea of engraving though,its probably one of my quirks,but ive never been a fan of leather wraps (hence ive never really liked the wallace sword,well that and the blades to slim for my tastes) so if it was mine id engrave it ,either way a fantastic version (and improvement on one of my favourite swords) |
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Post by JohnE on Apr 28, 2011 5:00:50 GMT
I'm working on a couple idea. It'll be at least the weekend before I can scan them though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 17:10:06 GMT
here is the halo energy sword i promised to do: i changed the plasma for steel, but i still wanted it to look futuristic. i wanted it to look something a alien or master chief would use, without making it impossible for todays technologies. the two pointed look was too unpractical, so i completely ditched it. this sword is very thrust-orientated, so you could punch trough the hardest armor(like that of an supersoldier) and last but not least, i wanted to make it pretty because that is just as important for a video game weapon i know my picture is to big, but i don't know how to resize it :oops: [a href="  "] [/a] |
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