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Post by Deepbluedave on Jan 5, 2011 10:16:36 GMT
Hey Fredarico it should be illegal for you to mention that you own a custom LoTR sword without posting a picture of that amazing blade, it is truly fabulous. Edit: had to go back to the old forums just now to once again drool on my keyboard, got to say Fredrico one hell of a sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 9:26:28 GMT
Cold Steel Two Handed Great Sword、 Competition Samurai Swords and Hanwei - Swept Rapier are my known functional lotr swords,hope to help you
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 11, 2011 3:05:36 GMT
i would LOVE to have a custom blade by Brenno. they are utterly amazing and while the movie version of the swords are great, Brennos versions are in their own league of badassery. I wish i could afford such an amazing thing as one of his creations, but i could never come anywhere close to touching one. My budget would be a blatant insult to such a master craftsman
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Post by 14thforsaken on Feb 11, 2011 14:11:42 GMT
Brenno's are pretty much the best when it comes to custom LoTR swords. If that is out of your price range, you can try to see if a Windlass Mercenary sword comes up for sale somewhere. Its discontinued but they do pop up for sale now and again. Here's mine:'
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Post by Major, Cory J on Feb 11, 2011 15:04:31 GMT
Not trying to stir anything up here, but... Isn't the original drawing of the "black Knight" sword done by some artist who was "classifying" swords a while back? E.A. Christensen? I believe they changed the guard on it because like 2-3 other swords had the same one or very similar (Squire and the Knight), they were just Satin silver. I am pretty sure Albion doesn't own the rights to use a specific guard and pommel design with a specific blade. Even IF, DSA did "copy" the Albion design, then GOOD! Not everyone can afford an Albion, or see the logic in buying such an expensive beautiful piece to go out and hack up bottles with the risk of damaging such an expensive piece (I am in both groups there). Some people just want to have a good design and be able to use it to its full potential. The DSA Sword was my first sword, and I loved that thing, handled great, sure it was a tad heavy but I had nothing else to compare to at the time. I thought it was normal, and I liked the weight of it. Its easy to "copy" someone else s' work, but still be your own. Like this example for instance. I'm pretty sure Albion didn't copy you and you didn't copy them, but its just how it is. Yes I know there not *Exactly* alike, just trying to show my point. I am by NO MEANS knocking your work, I love your artwork and designs. Its just good business to make a production product which looks similar but is still distinct from a competitors (especially a more expensive competitor) and make it less expensive, and good for its own merits. Ok, I have said my bit and I'm off! (Dam, I wish I could fly now... )
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Post by frankthebunny on Feb 11, 2011 16:53:28 GMT
I would love to get my hands on a reproduction based on my favorite LOTR sword. Faramir's sword! I plan on owning a sword by Brenno and John before I die so maybe one will be the sword of Faramir
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Post by Lunaman on Feb 11, 2011 18:56:52 GMT
Yea, Cory, I'll bite. You want some real talk? You got it. What so often frustrates me is that because Albion makes "historically accurate swords," people think that the swords aren't Peter's designs. The fact is that apart from the Museum Line and a select few next gen swords (the Vigil, the Oakeshott, The Munich, and the Hospitaller) the vast majority of Albion swords are not direct reproductions of historical swords; they are instead idealized types BASED on several historical examples. Where do these idealized versions come from?--- PETER DESIGNED THEM. THEY ARE HIS DESIGNS. That's why Albion makes a point in their various copy to call their swords "re-creations," trying to find a unique word to describe what it is their company does and why they are different. If you'll notice, they very first words on the Albion website (apart from the various titles) are " Designed by noted Swedish swordsmith, author and researcher Peter Johnsson..." This is not an accident. In their official "about" section, one of their pillars is "faithful recreation of specific originals and original sword types." The former is the Museum Line. The latter is most everything else they make, but you can't make a faithful recreation of a type without relying on a knowledgeable and talented designer, because you can't just copy an individual sword. You have to have a unique design. Ironically, it is because these swords are so specifically Peter's own designs that they feel so general and authentic that one can be tricked into thinking they do not have a modern designer at all. A sword like their flagship "Knight" could not seem so pure and iconic that it reminds us of every knightly sword we've ever seen... were it not a unique sword unto itself, drawing on tons of inspirations and expertise in its SPECIFIC UNIQUE design. Even the swords very clearly based off of one particular historic blade, like the Valkyrja, require major design work and careful informed decisions to bring them to life--things like the shape and material of the grip, depth of the carving, choice of blade shape and type and the mass distribution therein--that require more than just 'copying' the original damaged sword. Where does that extra information come from, and by definition the final design? It comes from the expertise of the designer. In Albion's case, it comes from Peter. There are dozens of versions of the Suontaka sword out there. The Valkyrja is Albion's, and it is PETER's design work that makes it possible. But my issue with DSA's Black Knight isn't even that subtle (with regards to the Albion Prince). It's simple (but not easy) to get a good sword when you base it directly on a historical sword, like the Suontaka sword, the Heny V sword, the Black Prince sword, or the Svante Nilsson Sture. You just have to be true to the original, and because that is a tough enough task on it's own, I obviously have no problem with more than one swordmaker taking a crack at reproducing a museum antique. That is not the case with the Albion Prince. I'm well aware of E.A. Christensen's drawing shown above (I've got a nice clear version of it in my copy of Records) and you are quite right that it inspired the Albion Prince. And one might think that it inspired the DSA black Knight as well, but there's something more going on here... Christensen's drawing catalogs an historic sword in a private collection (of which there is a photograph in Records) and the sword in question has a wide type fourteen blade with double fullers, no original grip and a decagonal pommel with 10 facets. Peter's design for the Prince does not. Peter's sword is certainly inspired by the sword documented by Christensen, but the decisions to change the double fullers to a single fuller, the type fourteen blade profile to a type sixteen blade, the pommel to have eight facets and the placement and location of risers on the grip are all innovations particular to this design by Peter, reproduced by Albion. These aesthetic choices were informed by Peter's years of schooling, his MA degree in graphic design and illustration, his time as a professional artist, his years as a swordsmith with anvil and hammer, and his personal documentation of more than 100 authentic medieval swords in private collections and museums. DSA did not just "happen" to make all these same changes to their version the historic sword. They copied them from the Prince. Making the sword black does not change this. (And by the way, using my long fulham gladius design vs. their mainz gladius model as analagous to this situation is too insulting to address in a public forum) You say " I am pretty sure Albion doesn't own the rights to use a specific guard and pommel design with a specific blade." Well you know what? THEY DO. It's on the bottom of every detail page. www.albion-swords.com/swords/alb ... photos.htm Puts this little gem of yours into perspective, doesn't it? "Even IF, DSA did "copy" the Albion design, then GOOD! " :evil: " Not everyone can afford an Albion, or see the logic in buying such an expensive beautiful piece to go out and hack up bottles with the risk of damaging such an expensive piece (I am in both groups there)." -----THEN YOU DON'T GET TO HAVE ONE. How is this a difficult concept? "Some people just want to have a good design and be able to use it to its full potential. "------The people who are able to have and use a good design like this to it's full potential are the people who are willing to get one honestly. You are advocating stealing from this man, and for that I have no respect for you. Good day. www.albion-swords.com/swords/johnsson/peter.htm
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Feb 11, 2011 19:15:52 GMT
Hmmm... While your point is well made and valid Lunaman... I don't think its as cut and dried as that when it comes to sword design. Peter's designs are inspired (and sometimes direct descendants of) many historical swords... and one can not copyright those historical designs anymore then one can copyright classic music. Once something is of a certain age... its pretty much public domain. If DSA's designs were as clear cut a theft from Albion's/Peter's work as you believe... then they would have sued... and won. As far as I know, this has not happened. That says to me that while some designs might appear similar... they were not enough so that Peter and Albion thought it worth while to pursue legal recourse.
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Post by Lunaman on Feb 11, 2011 20:24:32 GMT
No, you can't copyright historical swords, but you CAN copyright Peter's interpretations of them, and they HAVE. For all I know, Albion may have sued and won at some point, because DSA did change the design of the Black Knight recently. If Albion didn't pursue legal recourse to result in this, they had a right to. There's not as much of a problem now, but it's the fact that DSA pulled something like that in the first place that pisses me off. Sure you could finnagle your way around so legal troubles don't make their way to you when you copy another company's historically-based sword (perhaps because they don't think you are worth their time), but does that make your actions right? It's a weaselly thing to do, and it speaks to how little the company researches actual swords that they didn't realize the prince wasn't a direct reproduction of a historical sword in the first place. They can't even spell "spatha" right on their website. Ten minutes with a book and Darksword would have been a better and more trustworthy company. Instead it looks like they did their research with a google image search of the work of better swordmakers.
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Post by Major, Cory J on Feb 11, 2011 20:31:39 GMT
Sean,Thank you sean for getting my point. Luna I'm sorry I'm such a disgrace to you. I didn't mean "good" go ahead and steal their designs' I meant good a similar blade for the fraction of the cost "based" on something that I could never imagine purchasing. And how is comparing a similar looking drawing to another master piece "insulting"? Being a chef, if someone said my food looked and tasted like chef Ramsey made then I would take complement. When I joined this forum I WAS under the impression that this was a sub 300 dollar loving community. Seems to becoming more and more elitist every month. I mean ripping apart a small independent forge for designs and quality. Yes they are not performance cutters because they CATER to the reenactors and NOT to backyard cutters. But if you saw their last update, Eyal just shaved 12oz off their archers sword and modified their Henry V sword. I'm just starting get sick of peoples opinions imPlying that owning an Atrim or an Albion is the "be all and end all" of sword collecting. I see numerous threads of people asking about a particular brand of sword and the next people say "don't get that. It has this and this wrong for a few hundred more you can get this!" Ever think the person really likes this model and is just looking for any known major flaws rather then the commercial for the next level of sword collecting? Luna if you would like to discuss this further how bout we start a new thread or just pm me? I think we have hijacked this thread enough. Besides it's hard to type this on an iPhone.
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Post by Major, Cory J on Feb 11, 2011 20:39:52 GMT
They can't spell?!? Really a schoolyard insult? Ever suppose it's just a typo and being a small company he doesn't have the time or the knowhow to fix it? Or maybe it's a language barrier as this forge is based out of FRENCH CANADA! I am just about done sharing friendly opinions on this forum, that cause me to be attacked and slander like remarks said about standup folks.
Luna as I said pm me or make a thread. I'll get back to it when I get home Sunday. Need some time to cool of now.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 11, 2011 21:04:13 GMT
anywho....FUNCTIONAL LOTR SWORDS...id love to have Narsil and possibly Glamdring
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Post by Lunaman on Feb 11, 2011 21:05:14 GMT
I love certain sub-300 swords, I have several. AND I love my high-end swords. I don't have any problem with someone wanting a beater sword or a sword that doesn't cost much. But I didn't sign up to endorse thievery and untrustworthiness. That's another issue entirely.
I don't have the time to respond to your posts in full right now, but I will say this: I don't care if it's DSA copying from Albion, Albion copying from Windlass, or Cold Steel copying from Valiant Armoury---taking an original design from another company and reproducing it unmodified in your production line is wrong. That's what's making me furious. Not the fact that the Black Knight doesn't handle as sweetly or look as nice as my Albions and Atrims. Please do take your time to cool off. I'll do the same.
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Post by Lunaman on Feb 11, 2011 21:10:09 GMT
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Post by ghost on Feb 11, 2011 21:23:16 GMT
Oh, I'm gonna say it at risk of getting bashed...
Boromir's sword is just plain ugly.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Feb 11, 2011 21:38:12 GMT
I second that! I happen to like the Ranger Sword of Dundedain just a little more for its rugged simplicity, but both hold a special place in my heart.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 11, 2011 21:53:05 GMT
my absolute fav is Brennos Anduril, its pure badassery incarnate! ill never afford one though
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 12, 2011 6:09:46 GMT
Thanks Saito It's been here far too long so feel free to make me an offer on it. It's no good to me, it needs a home. I was tinkering with a pic of my old original Glamdring the other day, and came up with this - This is how I'd do it if I was going to do it now. A brass hilt, with more curvey, slender sleek lines. A holly grip with runes around the base. I won't be making it any time soon unless someone commissions it. But It's nice to dream... Attachments:
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Post by SwordFan on Feb 12, 2011 6:27:31 GMT
There are 3 of Brennos swords I love ,maybe someday ill be able to afford one (and convince the wife) ,but over here we have really high customs duties ,not to mention the high shipping charges to get anything here that's over 42" . I love his Peter Pan Sword , Anduril and that very nice looking Felaróf sword .Oh well someday Ill own one ,Someday .......
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 12, 2011 6:37:48 GMT
Thanks SF I can ship a longsword like this Anduril for $95 by TNT and it will be there in 5 days. Because I can disassemble it I can pack it in a tube. Re the customs charges; are you in Canada?
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