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Post by Greg on Oct 14, 2010 5:21:45 GMT
Update from the Oakeshott Inst. : Looks like they are game for a fund raiser as well, although I don't think I was clear enough on my initial email that we were all in agreement that something like this should benefit the institute. Now we just have to wait from the higher ups, but at least I know my question has been passed along. I'll post further updates as they come. Oh, and whoever brought this discussion over to MyArmoury, you have my thanks. I really need to get over there someday.  |
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Post by Odingaard on Oct 14, 2010 7:24:43 GMT
Moved topic to proper area for further discussion.
I am very interested in these shirts, but I do have a question. When my band has t-shirts made several years ago; there was a set up charge for each different design because a new screen needed to be etched and the art needed to be formatted by the designer. We were cut a little bit of a deal for doing three different designs, but most of the set up fee was still there for each one because the designer said there was no getting around the screen cost.
Is the $1000 number I am seeing tossed around is for designing and printing a screen for one Oakeshott type? Or have you worked out a deal with the designer so they will do more than one design for one set up fee?
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Post by LiamBoyle on Oct 14, 2010 10:06:55 GMT
Don't know why I've missed this thread until know, but it might have something to do with my avoidance of the Medieval swords forum.
I like the thought of the blade silhouette on the front, SBG logo on the sleeve, and John Erikson's large group pic on the back. $25-$35 USD per shirt is a reasonable price to ask but above $25 is hard to get for a t-shirt unless it's a specialized interest type item (aka concert T). Since these are special interest type items, and percentages of any profit would be going to support SBG and the Oakeshott institute we can probably go to $35 USD as a maximum price. Bear in mind, I have had a very rough time trying to move things like tie-dye shirt or batik shirts at prices above $25, and that's at street fairs and craft fairs where folks are more willing to pay high prices.
I would not go with cafe press but that's just because of my opinion about the hiring practices of the cafe press center here in Louisville - lot's of temporary labor w/ frequent lay offs, and the fact they only pay $9.00/hr with no benefits. But that is beside the point.
Anyway, when can I start buying some shirts?
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Post by Bradleee42 on Oct 14, 2010 14:03:02 GMT
Its for 1 oakeshott type shirt, 2 colors, front and back. But keep in mind that Dollar amount is for 144 t-shirts. S-2X ( or any combination we need).
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Post by TomK on Oct 14, 2010 17:07:52 GMT
here are links to discussion of the shirts on myarmory and SFI in case we want to whip up interest. sounds like there will be some interest from each place. I hope I got any info I passed right. www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic ... fec50d4c73 www.swordforum.com/forums/showth ... p?t=103044 I think craig meant he saw it here because there wasn't a thread on it at myarmoury that I could find. that's why I started one. |
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Post by TomK on Oct 15, 2010 15:51:35 GMT
do we have an update? lots of interest seems to be brewing at Myarmory and some at SFI. I strongly suggest anyone really interested in seeing this through check out the discussions at our sister forums, especially Myarmory.
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Post by Bradleee42 on Oct 15, 2010 18:07:31 GMT
I'm working on it...gotta make a few phone calls.
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Post by Bradleee42 on Oct 16, 2010 0:40:37 GMT
ok...heres the breakdown 144- 100% cotton T-shirts - Unit price= $7.58 Total - $1091.52 4 -Screens ( two for front, two for back, 2 color total) / Screen Origination fee = $100 1 Art fee (changing the artwork to be capable to be burned as screens) =$100 Total - $1291.52 The main part of the money will go towards the screen making and for the art fee. - $200 The rest of the money is all t-shirts. Price is subject to change, +/- , on according to how many we want / need. Or other forums want / need. The art work I designed was to be on the front . But needs to be reworked for a black background. And also made much larger. this...  I personally love the Idea of this one the back www.oakeshott.org/images/Typomaster.jpg |
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Post by Bradleee42 on Oct 17, 2010 21:33:28 GMT
BTW...I just reposted it this way as to have everything in it, in case others were looking they wouldnt have to go thru the whole thread and get bits of info here and bits there.
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Post by TomK on Oct 18, 2010 14:19:01 GMT
over at Myarmory it was suggested that on the front we just put Oakeshott in big white letters, then put the typomaster picture you have linked above on the back under the words "what's your type?"
what do you think? I kind of like it. I like the idea of having "what's your type?" with the full typology picture. the sword and Oakeshott on the front could be cool too.
opinions? is this final? have we gotten permission to use the art (is that the art fee)?
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Post by Bradleee42 on Oct 18, 2010 22:07:12 GMT
I do like the whats your type on the back above the typomaster pic, but that is on the oakeshott site, or it was when I googled it, and the sword is a Albion sword that I used a just a reference image on what it could look like.
I really like the idea Of having a large sword onthe front with the sideways lettering. I think if someone wants to wear it out and have another shirt on top,unbuttoned, You can still see the image.
That was why earlier on I was suggesting maybe asking Sonny or someone who owns a company if we could use one of their swords as a image, and maybe putting their name on the shirt somewhere. ( maybe in the discription on the back.)
But apparently everyone likes what I have done and on my side I'm totally thumbs up for the image on the back.
We just need to iron out a few details like "image" to ge things through.
maybe do something like for the back ,
What's your type
{typomaster photo here}
{details of sword on front here} *
* Who its made by, type, weight, length,balance .....ectect.
And then once we get the art done, we can decided on who is going to take care of what; shipping, money collection, distibution. ectect.
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Post by Bradleee42 on Oct 19, 2010 15:50:02 GMT
Hey guys, I talked to Sonny this morning at VA. He said we can use any of his swords on the front of the shirt, no cost, all he wants to do is give the final thumbs up to the artwork.
As an addition to this, I want to, when everything is said and done, send him 2 or 3 for him to have.
SO, guys, Which sword do we want to use?
I can use my 303s when it comes in because I am going to need a very large pic to work with. But any other ideas will be welcome.
-B
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Post by Stromlo_Swords_USA on Oct 19, 2010 22:38:21 GMT
Put a Knight's Templar on there!!!
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Post by Greg on Oct 21, 2010 0:55:10 GMT
Edit: (I forgot to add in the recent email from the oakeshott people, so here it is:) As far as the costs per order. We are looking at roughly 7.50 per shirt to get 144 made right? Well, if we charge 10.00 per shirt, then that would only leave us with 300 and some odd dollars to donate. However, if we charged 12.50 per shirt, then that puts us up at the 720.00 that we could donate (assuming we sell all 144 shirts). But once we get past 12.50, I think it will be harder to sell the shirts to the community, which would result in a financial burden on the person(s) who fronted the money. I may have another option for this, but first lemme comment on the shirts and save the other option for the end of the post. As far as the shirt itself goes: Well, this is what I had more in mind as the simplest design idea that would accomidate every typology without having to create multiple screens for the front image. (That is, unless we all agree on ONE type to put on the front.)  Forgive the quality of the picture, I threw it together real quick to put the idea out here. The way I see it is that we would be looking at a much bigger price tag if we wanted each typology screened out and had that printed on the front. Then again, there is the digital option. I've been doing some research around the internets and have found that there are a number of shirt presses out there that can do a much smaller order because it's a digital screen print. I'm not sure of the quality of these, but it would be an option. With that in mind, we COULD do a specific type on the front and get different types and even one for every day of the week for a price that shouldn't be to much greater then the 7.50 figure. Thoughts? |
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Post by Bradleee42 on Oct 21, 2010 1:45:35 GMT
Thanks for the follow up.
I'm very happy the Oakeshott people are willing to help.
maybe we should start another pole to see if folks want anything besides just Oakeshott on the front.
I for one would like to have a couple of different t-shirts, but I think as this being the virgin run*( more or less)
(* enter family oriented lewd comments here) we should start with one style and see how it does.
The t-shirt cost remains the same whether you order one or 200. I'm not sure how well digital prints do, or of the quality of the shirts, but If youd send me a link or two I would be more than happy to look over them. Just for a second opinion.
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Post by John Greybeard on Oct 21, 2010 3:35:22 GMT
Greg, I like the back you've illustrated. But for the front, I really like Brad's vertical lettering along the sword blade. Pretty much any type would work for me.
If they sell for $12.50, I'm in for 3
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Post by chrisperoni on Oct 21, 2010 4:04:36 GMT
whichever dsesign is chosen I'll take at least 2 t's, maybe a third if there are black/white colour choices. The sooner the better for these; winter's coming and I can't really be outside topless for too much longer...
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Post by Bradleee42 on Oct 21, 2010 5:18:16 GMT
Chris...you could then be Groo the Shivering.
......either that or learn to dance, I'm sure those singles the neighbors will be slipping in you pants would make a great new sword purchase, or some baby items. :lol:
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Post by TomK on Oct 21, 2010 14:19:07 GMT
I like this design and I could be happy having several of these
BUT
I think pretty much everyone will agree that if we can get a digital print to be both cost effective and of similar quality to the more traditional screen print (and I think it will be, I bet many of us already wear digital screens without even knowing it)
then I think it would be untold amounts of awesome to be able to get a sword type of your choice on the front, vertical "Oakeshott XII" or "Oakeshott Xa" or "Oakeshott XVIIIe" along the blade. with the same back. shoot man I would buy just about one of every single type.
also if I understand things correctly a digital printing works on-demand so we don't have to buy a certain amount of shirts ahead of time and we can just sell what demand calls for.
ALSO LET US CONSIDER:
if the shirts cost 7.50 to make and we sell them for $15 then we MUST sell 50% of the total number of shirts perchased in order to BREAK EVEN which means NO money for the institute or anywhere else, the only people that make money are the T-shirt shop people. so if we have to buy 144 t-shirts to get the good price then we MUST SELL 72 shirts to break even. I know it sounds like we have a lot of support but the sort of support we have tends to dry up once money is called for. SO . . . I think the digital press option is sounding really good because we can just set the price of the shirt X amount above cost and start pulling in proffit for the institute right away. we could sell them at $10.50 for a $7.50 cost shirt and then $3 goes to the Oakeshott Institute, SBG, or wherever else we want to send it. that way if we bomb out and this project flops and we sell a measely 10 shirts we don't lose money, and actually have $30 to give to the institute. sounds better than one of us being in a financial hardship and holding on to 134 shirts nobody wants.
what do you guys think? I say let's look into a digital press and if it works go full out every type available on the front. have our cake and eat it too.
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Post by ChrisA on Oct 21, 2010 14:57:04 GMT
I don't know anything about digital vs regular.
But I do want to put in that I would prefer a quality shirt that will last years over one that will fade after one washing. I would rather only have one type shirt of good quality vs many types of crappy quality. Of course I would be willing to pay more for the better shirt.
I guess it all comes down to researching all the options.
(Put me down for 3 shirts @ ~$12.50 in any case.)
And Tom is 100% on the mark when he said that there always is interest until it is time to actually pay out the cash. Let's hope that doesn't happen here.
Edit: I also like Brad's design a lot. We just need to pick a sword.
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