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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 29, 2009 12:38:30 GMT
It's my understanding that hide glue has been pretty much the standard for this kind of application since... before the turn of the millenium. That would be the 999-to-1000 AD turn of the millenium.  It isn't sticky as long as the leather is soaking wet. But when the glue-soaked leather dries the bond is mostly permanent. The leather becomes very rigid, so the lines that are held in place as it dries become a fixture of the piece. |
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 6, 2009 0:22:44 GMT
This is the grip that I was concerned about - I was concerned how I would get the wrap to hug in tight against the X risers.  Well I must say the X riser did NOT manifest the world of worry I though it might. I was worried how I'd get the leather to stay snug around the risers, but it was quite happy to. I glued it with 5 minuted epoxy and I just glued it one side at a time. I wrap the leather with cord to hold it snug while the glue dries - especially tight around the end risers. I just rubbed the leather in around the X (repeatedly as the glue dried) and it stayed quite nicely. I suggest people might like to try it. I'd like to try one that is X up top, and wire wrapped at the aft grip - Gotthic Style. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 2:39:54 GMT
That is a really nice grip Brenno. It makes me want to try something similar...... Maybe I'll have to rethink my next project.
As an aside, I used hour long epoxy on my last grip. It seemed to work pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 19:16:23 GMT
what do you guys think about the leather ito on artsfeng and shadowofleaves?which one is better?and what exactly are the deifference?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 1:55:53 GMT
Hi guy's,
When you say hide glue. Do you mean hide glue, that is used for veneering that needs to be melted in a pot
and smells something awful. Or do you mean a glue specially made to glue leather hides.
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Post by genocideseth on Feb 12, 2009 13:54:27 GMT
Thanks, Mike! To get a little off topic again: Not long ago there was a norwegian black metal band that wanted to take the death fascination style to the limit. They put some stage clothes in a box, sprayed them with ox blood and put a cut-off ox head in the box. They sealed it and left it to putrify for some months, then put them on for a gig. The ox head was put on a stake and used as a stage prop.  They hadn't played long before people started leaving the place, and a disco next door had to close because of the stench as they shared the same ventilation. Both places were soon emptied because of the strong odor of death. The band was thrown out with all their stuff and asked to never ever show up again. ;D Careful with the ox blood! ;D By any chance was that Mayhem? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 14:01:17 GMT
You bury the leather about 4-5 feet deep, make sure that you put them in a plastic bag or something so that the leather doesn't get ingrained dirt.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 14, 2009 9:51:40 GMT
Um, not that sort of Hide...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2009 17:03:00 GMT
Thanks Brenno,
As I understand it then you mean glue for hides. Not Hide glue made from boiling down horse parts until they make a pasty glue.
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Post by ShooterMike on Feb 14, 2009 18:21:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2009 23:57:03 GMT
Thanks,
That clears it all up for me
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 15, 2009 0:28:26 GMT
Thanks Brenno, As I understand it then you mean glue for hides. Not Hide glue made from boiling down horse parts until they make a pasty glue. I was going to try that but the horses saw the look in my eye and they move too fast... I'll wait til nightfall... There is some of that eco flo stuff on ebay I see. I'll try to find some in Austraila. Though I am very happy with epoxy. It is strong. I decided to redo a grip recently on a sword that was going out. I couldn't budge the leather. I just had to belt sand it back to timber. QUESTION:I usually cut my leather so that the two edges meet perfectly but don't overlap. Do you think people would prefer that , or be happy to see say a 1/4" overlapped seam on the underside edge of the grip? It would make a slight ridge, but that may even be good for handling / feel. What say ye all? |
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Post by kidcasanova on Feb 15, 2009 2:19:23 GMT
I prefer my grips the way you do them currently. I don't enjoy the overlap. It looks sloppy in my opinion...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 2:28:24 GMT
I concur. I would keep doing them the way you have been.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 2:58:29 GMT
The way I see it you have two choices, that would leave a smooth flush joint. One is a scarf joint. On the other one you overlap the pieces and then cut straight down through both layers, this will give you a perfect butt joint. At least it works perfectly on vinyl flooring or wallpaper. So it should work on leather.
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Post by Brian of DBK on Feb 15, 2009 5:50:52 GMT
A properly done wrap, should have a nearly invisible seam.
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Post by Brian of DBK on Feb 15, 2009 6:42:15 GMT
Forgive the crude picture to demonstrate the seam. As always, certain lighting makes leather look very glossy. The second picture better demonstrates the finish of the grip. What is shown here is a classic leather over cord wrap grip. There is a slight overlap, and each edge is made as paper thin as possible. This hides the seam, and the overlap to prevent any 'buldging', or visibility of the overlap. What you get is a seamless wrap if done correctly.   |
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 15, 2009 23:41:08 GMT
Yup thats pretty much flawless Brian. Nice. So which technique do you favour?
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Post by Brian of DBK on Feb 16, 2009 0:51:23 GMT
Cord/twine wrapped grips feel & look the best to me. Use cord/twine underneath the leather & cord over the leather as it dries to form the grooves.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 16, 2009 5:40:37 GMT
And what method do you use for those invisible seams. No overlap?
And which glue do you use Brian
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