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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 12:36:36 GMT
Related thread:
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I just saw this thread and wanted to know what others thought on the subject?
I personally don't see a problem with a member pointing out that the sword is on sale for less new than the seller is asking second hand.
In a forum that tries to get the best for the buyer I think its commendable that a user has taken their time to point out to others that they could have this cheaper.
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Post by torawashi on May 5, 2010 12:47:33 GMT
Related thread: /index.cgi?board=selling&action=display&thread=16093&page=1 I just saw this thread and wanted to know what others thought on the subject? I personally don't see a problem with a member pointing out that the sword is on sale for less new than the seller is asking second hand. In a forum that tries to get the best for the buyer I think its commendable that a user has taken their time to point out to others that they could have this cheaper. I agree. And intelligent and informed prospective buyers will be checking this out for themselves. As for anyone who doesn't; Caveat Emptor......
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 13:07:04 GMT
I would say my personal opinion leans to publicly announcing that there is a seller who sells under MSRP on a classified add is tacky.
OK maybe it can be bought for less, but normally it is sold new at much higher prices. It is only that someone sells under that MSRP that makes the classified not even overpriced, since the lower price does not include shipping, while the classified does.
I again say tacky. It would have been better to PM to the classified lister, not announce it to everyone, since the price is bellow MSRP.
*edit BTW the MSRP is double the price given by Wiwingti that is some serious undercutting
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 13:24:03 GMT
... BTW the MSRP is double the price given by Wiwingti that is some serious undercutting The sword market has become highly competitive due to the amount of products now available and the number of vendors. The days of 200% mark-ups are over.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 13:32:54 GMT
except in Australia
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 13:40:08 GMT
... BTW the MSRP is double the price given by Wiwingti that is some serious undercutting The sword market has become highly competitive due to the amount of products now available and the number of vendors. The days of 200% mark-ups are over. That does not really make it less tacky for making someone who was giving a good deal in a personal classified a loss because someone is selling from wholesale buying at extreme low prices.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 13:43:00 GMT
Well, having been the subject of the thread, I feel it's in bad form. I'm selling a blade I used at far less than retail, I even checked ebay before posting and couldn't find anything less than $539.
I see a lot of the classified section ad's as a discussion forum, which I don't think it should be. I tend to think of it this way, would you like to tell me where you work so I can stand outside the door to tell anyone entering your place of business that there is a better deal down the street?
Probably not, and selling swords isn't how I make my living, I was attempting to sell a blade for a decent price.
So, thats my two cents and how I handle myself on the classifieds forum.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on May 5, 2010 14:04:57 GMT
I can see why MTuttle is offended in this case for sure. especially when I consider the tone (my perception obviously) of the post. I mean "sorry pal" is pretty dismissive and rude all by itself. yes wiwingti sells it for less but not much less and with shipping the prices would be close. but let's think about it: if I wanted this sword and my choice was classifieds ad from a guy I don't know or from Marc who I trust completely for the same price it is easy to see I'd go with Marc. the thing is though pretty much everyone here knows about wiwingti so it is unlikely this will sell at a price anywhere near what he lists. this is very unfortunate for guys like MTuttle. A pm to inform would have been much better done but at least the poor guy isn't sitting there in silence wondering why his beautiful sword (and it is) won't sell at such a good price.
in short: yes it was quite rude, but it was useful information.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 14:56:29 GMT
I agree that the tone of the post made this more of an issue than it needs to be. Being in the eCommerce racket, I would have adjusted the price accordingly if my item didn't sell, in fact I already have. Sure the info was helpful, but I didn't feel in need of assistance, adjusting pricing is something I do to sell items everyday. Plus, I don't really feel that the info was meant to be helpful at all, just someone throwing in their two cents.
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Post by shadowhowler on May 5, 2010 14:59:51 GMT
I agree just posting it in the sellers thread is rude... and the tone with the 'Sorry pal' was really, really rude... actually its that statment more then anything else that offends me on this... it was just a dickish thing to say. What I always do in a situation like this... if I notice someone selling something at what I feel is an unfair price, is I send them a PM and ask them if they were aware that theitem they are selling could be had brand new for less? Often they are NOT aware... there are a lot of vendors out there... with just a quick check I see that KoA asks just a few dollars more (+ shipping) and SwordNation asks just of 20 dollars more (+ Shipping) so Wiwingti is the only one selling it for less... and when you Add in shipping its only just barely less. The Seller in this case most likely did not buy from Wiwingti and is taking a loss on his sword... tho if informed via PM he may have adjusted the price to match the market WITHOUT being insulted in his own thread. For delicate situations like this I always go with a PM and try to give everyone here the benifit of the doubt that they are good guys... ...the tone of the 'Sorry pal' post just gives me the impresion that poster wanted to pat himself on the back and make the seller look bad. I feel its bad form. I don't want the SBG classifieds to have to go all strict and 'post nazi' like some other forum classifieds I have seen... I prefer the relaxed atmosphere here at SBG... but I do think you should have some respect for the guy who's thread you are posting in.
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Post by Cottontail Customs on May 5, 2010 15:17:03 GMT
I think there is a responsibility of the buyer to be aware of varying prices as there are just so many sources. for the seller to scour every one of these to make sure his price is the absolute lowest is not feasible nor required. he is not a vendor and as it was placed in the classifieds, he can ask whatever he wants. remember, you don't have to buy from him, plus, an interested party could always make a counter offer anyway. a pm sent with that info would have been what I would have appreciated if I were selling it. I respect that our forum members often look out for one another, which is why this is such a great community but there is certainly a more tasteful way to help all concerned. I say, chalk it up as a learning experience
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Post by teclis22 on May 5, 2010 15:19:03 GMT
or germany but back to topic: i think its okay. the forum is in my opinion clearly buyer orientated. so pointing out where a given item can be optained cheaper is alright best regards tec
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Post by shadowhowler on May 5, 2010 15:21:24 GMT
i think its okay. the forum is in my opinion clearly buyer orientated. so pointing out where a given item can be optained cheaper is alright best regards tec You don't think, tho, that the tone of the 'Sorry pal' was rude and disrespectful, and that a message via PM to the seller would have been a far more polite way to address the issue?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 15:30:57 GMT
Hi All,
I'm not trying to screw anyone or run some elaborate con. I wanted to sell a blade to contribute to my better sword fund. There's only so much of a loss that I'm willing to take on my sword before I'll just let it sit on it's stand looking pretty but getting very little use. That also means that I have a longer way to go in my saving, but that's life.
I hope everyone who thinks it's ok won't mind if I post on their next sale thread. I hope I can find a better deal out there to protect the communinty from spending more than they have too.
That last bit was a joke, but you get the point.
-Matt
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 15:34:52 GMT
I think that good form would dictate a quiet pm to the seller-I think that the "sorry pal" was unnecessary.DJ
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 15:55:19 GMT
I still think many of you are missing the point.
It is not the sellers responsibility in a classified add to scour around until he's found the absolute lowest price for his katana and then try to match it. Matt's asking price was very fair for a katana like his, and what I consider rude is posting competitor prices publicly to force him to lower his. Posting in a classified other than to ask questions related to the sale of it should be limited.
SFI bans posts even that say, "Wow, nice blade. Wish I had the cash." and the like. I personally don't mind those posts, the more people posting they like the blade and are interested only help the seller.
In this case, questioning his prices openly and posting to other vendors only hurts the add. Bad form in my view.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 16:06:58 GMT
I think the tone of "Sorry pal" was rude. I'm torn on the rest. This is a forum. We are here to help each other out. If there is a better price out there isn't it our "duty" to each other to let us know about it? I don't like the idea of knowingly letting someone pay more for something than they have to. On the other hand, I do find it somewhat rude to undercut someone like that publicly on their thread. And also the buyer does have to take some responsibility themselves and do the homework before buying. So I don't know how I feel I guess a PM to the seller is the best way to go though it may not change a thing. And if anyone wants to do this when I am selling anything, I would not take offense as long as it is done respectfully.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 16:10:39 GMT
Hahaha, apparently I have too sympathetic of a heart. When I read "Sorry Pal" I read it in a tone that one friend would say to another right before some grave news was delivered. "Sorry pal, but your dog got hit by a car." Hand on shoulder and everything! But yeah, PM instead of post would have been more apt. ...would you like to tell me where you work so I can stand outside the door to tell anyone entering your place of business that there is a better deal down the street? Actually, if I was the owner of said establishment, I don't think I'd mind it too much. If someone else had exactly what I had and were selling it for less, I'd want to know so I could adjust my price. However, that situation is set up for a job rather then a hobby. I think your best bet would be to undercut the E-bay'ers and hope that it gets picked up there.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 16:38:42 GMT
Hey I wouldn't have minded a pm on the subject, probably would have welcomed it. This boils down more to how people are handling themselves than what I'm charging. If you don't like the price, I'm not forcing anyone to pay me a dime. Eventually I would have lowered the price as low as I felt is fair and if it sold it sold. If not, again there it'll sit.
So, if some people are into the peanut gallery approach, that's fine. But I would have appreciated it if my thread didn't get hijacked and turned into what it was: bad form.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 17:18:40 GMT
I apologize for my comments on your post Mtuttle.Yes you are asking a more than fair price,my comments were based more on shock than anything else.I am just becoming aware of the awesomness that is Wiwingti.Yes it could have been handled better,no matter the usefullness or truth of the mans post.
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