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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 3:57:24 GMT
Tom Kinder, either some tinker's are different, maybe issues with hanwei, or the problem has been resolved recently. i just purchased the tinker bastard sword replacement w/o fuller. the edge is quite sharp and non-beveled. i used it for a custom mount that is rather hybrid... i made a jian. /index.cgi?board=swordcustom&action=display&thread=12450 is where you can see it. i have to agree that the tang is very well made. the tempering extends into the tang, if i remember from tinkers site, at about 40 hrc. i had a rough time drilling the tang to pin the handle. fairly tricky too not heat it with the drill action, i kept spraying it with gun oil while the drill was running. and this was near the pommel end of the tang. the guard end of the tang was a bit killer. dull the crap outa my best bit. i would have to firmly believe that the tang will not have issues on my cutting tests. anyway here is a pic of it. i tried to cut a cardboard bow with the blade before i started making the sword... not very safe if you swing hard. but i didnt swing hard and it went clean through the box like a light saber. yoda would have been proud. Attachments:
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 26, 2009 15:18:54 GMT
hey that's good to know, I wonder if this one was one of the old batch. thing is, Tinker himself said that when he got his new batch in the bastard sword had a beveled edge. honestly, I think yours might also have one also but maybe yours is so small it's hard to see.
I believe I said this in the review but when I got the sword it could cut paper as it came from the factory. not well, but I COULD get it to cut. it was the scabbard that made the sucker dull.
as per Tinker's advice I did sent Hanwei an email about the scabbard problem, in fact I not only told them about it, I sent them a link to this review. I have no idea if they'll read this or not but I hope so. the sword I held was really nice in a lot of ways but it needs to have a few minor corrctions made to the line and that scabbard is on the top of that list.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 15:36:37 GMT
I know what you mean dude. the scabbard, even if wooden and not metal throat, shouldnt be tight on cutting edge. on katana, the say you have edge up to draw energy from sun... i dont know about that, but i do know it helps to wear it that way so when you draw the blade spine rests on and draws across wood instead of the edge. my brother dulled a blade wearing it edge dawn after a few draws.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 17:19:54 GMT
Draw energy from the sun? That sounds very new ageish as the samurai were more about internality than the external forces of nature for the most part. The reason the blade is worn edge up is because it is traditional, it also means that the sharp edge won't be dulled or worse, split the saya, which can occur.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 26, 2009 21:25:38 GMT
I've never heard that before (drawing energy from the sun) but I suppose it could be really OLD since the first Emperor of japan Jimmu was supposed to be descended from Amaterasu the sun god (I love that his name can be understood as sounding just like the japanese pronunciation of "Jim" "Emperor Jim" always makes me chuckle).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 21:40:49 GMT
I know what you mean dude. the scabbard, even if wooden and not metal throat, shouldnt be tight on cutting edge. on katana, the say you have edge up to draw energy from sun... i dont know about that, but i do know it helps to wear it that way so when you draw the blade spine rests on and draws across wood instead of the edge. my brother dulled a blade wearing it edge dawn after a few draws. From the little I took of kendo, the reason you wear it edge up is because of how you draw the blade into the basic "ready" stance. If you wear it with the edge up it's a smooth, fluid motion to that stance. Someone more knowledgeable about JSA can speak better on this, but the reason for the katana to be worn edge up was a very practical reason from what I know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 4:43:16 GMT
Thats why I like Euro's, always edge up ........ and down ............
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 14:18:32 GMT
A bit off topic but... The primary sword prior to the Katana was the Tachi. This was worn edge-down with the scabbard suspended below the sash. These swords were somewhat longer than Katana with a finer point. Used against the Mongols these sword were found to be unsuitable on two grounds- the fine point splintered on the Mongols armor and they were almost impossible to draw one-handed in a hurry, partly due to their length and partly to the flexibility of the scabbard mount. The response to this was to shorten the blade, give it a stouter point and carry it edge-up with the scabbard securely thrust through the sash. This way the sword could be drawn quickly and cleanly with a single hand and strike immediately. These modified swords were first known as 'Uchi Gitana' which I am told means 'edge-up sword.' This became the katana that we recognize today some time in the 15th Century AD.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 16:10:44 GMT
Hey Tinker, love the blade, bastard sword, dude. The 5160 steel w/ the marquenching turned out to be a pleasant surprise.
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Post by kidcasanova on Sept 29, 2009 21:12:01 GMT
Dammit Tom, I'm poor and I don't want to buy this sword. But it looks seriously SICK! I'm trying to talk my brother into buying it so I can at least use it. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 21:23:22 GMT
hey that's good to know, I wonder if this one was one of the old batch. thing is, Tinker himself said that when he got his new batch in the bastard sword had a beveled edge. honestly, I think yours might also have one also but maybe yours is so small it's hard to see. I believe I said this in the review but when I got the sword it could cut paper as it came from the factory. not well, but I COULD get it to cut. it was the scabbard that made the sucker dull. as per Tinker's advice I did sent Hanwei an email about the scabbard problem, in fact I not only told them about it, I sent them a link to this review. I have no idea if they'll read this or not but I hope so. the sword I held was really nice in a lot of ways but it needs to have a few minor corrctions made to the line and that scabbard is on the top of that list. after reading your post... I reinspected it... very finely beveled edge does exist there, dude. thanks for the tip off. I dont want to misrepresent. you can barely detect it, it is so subtle.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 29, 2009 21:39:02 GMT
I thought that might be the case. I would also think as long as you keep the throat from grinding it into dullness it should be a fine and serviceable edge. Kokoro's is sharper, I'll bet you. . . but your should be good to go I'd think.
thanks for posting this. +1 for honesty and looking out for the interests of the community and honesty
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 9:18:38 GMT
well it doesnt have a sheath yet have to make one still. but keeping in mind your pointers when i do, i will make sure the brass doesnt get to close to throat of scabbard.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 30, 2009 15:35:28 GMT
oh that's right you got the replacement blade. I forgot about that. yeah I think not having a scabbard was a bonus for you. that's a pretty cool looking sword by the way, I would have thought the bastard sword blade had too much profile taper and too pointy point for a jian but I guess that's why you call it a hybrid
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