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Post by YlliwCir on Sept 20, 2009 16:46:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2009 17:32:31 GMT
Ahhh, well that kinda ties the two stories together then. The 4 stundents hear a noise, the one with the weapon tells the others to go call 911 and then everything else happened after that.
Which is another good home defense tip. A cornered intruder acts like any other cornered animal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2009 15:02:50 GMT
Thanks for that link Ric.
The police seem to think he acted in self defense. Let's see now if the prosecuter decides to file charges against the student.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2009 14:29:20 GMT
God, I hope not...they really need to evaluate their purpose if they do. I mean come ON...they just released a career criminal, 3 days later he commits yet another crime and gets caught doing it- of course, a lesson they'll not learn until forced to.
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Post by shadowhowler on Sept 22, 2009 22:58:52 GMT
God, I hope not...they really need to evaluate their purpose if they do. I mean come ON...they just released a career criminal, 3 days later he commits yet another crime and gets caught doing it- of course, a lesson they'll not learn until forced to. I still can't get over the fact that they had to drop the charges on Mr. Rice for drawing a weapon with intent to USE it on a Police Officer... because the Officer was overseas fighting a war and could not get leave to come home and testify at the trial. It may be only peripheral to the main story, but THATS what really grabbed my attention, and made me sad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 7:12:34 GMT
Yeah, it is a shame that the man was even out on the streets in the first place. Hell, sometimes a person realizes their lives are so bad that they can't take it anymore. Some don't have what it takes to end their lives so they go the "suicide by cop" route.
I'm not saying thats what this guy probably did, but if we found his diary and found mention of suicide by cops, then it wouldn't surprise me.
And on the topic of Ric's latest post about intent to kill, and since we are on the topic of drawing weapons, it's always been my belief that you don't draw a weapon on someone unless you are ready to use it to it's fullest of capabilities. Some people might argue that you draw a weapon to scare someone off, but you try and pull a gun on someone (lets say an officer) you'd probably get charged with attempted murder.
So I don't see how they could be awaiting trial on a man for pulling a gun on another man, and then say this kid did not intend to kill the intruder? Both are weapons, both are deadly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 9:01:42 GMT
my brother used to breed and sell pitbulls. what i noticed is that espeicly the femals are very protective of the household family members. one bitc my brother had was called choco. i miss that dog. she especially loved my brother. and she respected my mum, as if it was her own mum. i dont know if it was just her, but that dog gave me tremendous respect for that breed of dog. she would risk her own life to protect our house. and she knew peoples intentions too. we used to have alot of visiters, and she knew who shouldnt be let into the house. one time the police came to arrest my brother.she knew....i swear to god she knew. the way she acted when the police car pulled up in front of the house, she was gonna rip the fence down. my brother asked them not to handcuff him till she was out of site...and amazingly one of the cops agreed and admired that the dog was trying to protect him, it was like trying to take a mothers child away.....she was so distressed. after that for the 2 weeks my brother was away while we were trying to find out where he was taken ( they took him on a tour of half the states prisons....and wouldnt tell us were he was) she was depressed, she wouldnt eat, wouldnt play and woulnt even look at any one. she even pulled one of my brothers tshirts off the cloths line and kept it in her kennel. the day i went to bail him out....she was standing at the gate the whole morning waging her tail and looked like a puppy that wanted to play.she knew he was coming home. by the time i payed the bail and they let him out it was 3 in the afternoon, and were at a prison 10 minutes frm my house. we came home....you cuold see her jumoing up and down in joy from the driveway whil we were pulling up. my brother got out and ran to her as soon as he opened the gate she jumpedup to him and licked his face and was crying....yes crying. actual tears...and she was making noises that could only be described as crying...but it was a joyfull cry. the rest of my family stood ther watching this and it made us cry too. to top it off she ran off and came back with his shirt that she had kept in her kennel giving it back to him with a look on her face like se was saying look "what i have for you we stood ther a couple of hours plying with her in the grass rolling around and such. a few months later my brother decided to get her to breed with another pure bred pitbull...and it worked fine. she got to the stage wher she had 8 weeks left till she would give birth. then this guy that lived down the street called the cops on my brother caus ehe saw him driving a car that was unregistered. my brother saw him walk past walking his dog....( some scrappy brown mongrel) and went out to ask him why he would try getting him trouble like that. the guy got smart so my brother headbutted him. next thing you know, choco had jumped over the fence (first time she ever done this) and had the other dogs throat in her jaws ad pinned to the ground. my brother poked her in the butt and she let go ( thats how you get them to unlock). the guy picked up his dog and ran off. nesxt day the council came with some police officers and said blah blah blah dog attack blah blah blah illegal breed of dog blah blah. they took her away. the thing is she didnt fight back. she hung her head down and let them put a catcher around her neck and walk along with them to the wagon. they put her down a few days later....with only 7-8 weeks till she would give birth. it was heartbreaking watching her as tey took her away....she knew she wasnt coming back and that she had messed up. it was like losing a family member for us. it made me sick to the stomach knowing that she was to be murdered. im not an animal lovin guy....nor a hippy or what ever....but she was family man. i will never see a dog like that again ...but i wish for evry home to have a guardian like choco was......i teared a few times while typing this sorry for going off topic
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 19:49:19 GMT
God, I hope not...they really need to evaluate their purpose if they do. I mean come ON...they just released a career criminal, 3 days later he commits yet another crime and gets caught doing it- of course, a lesson they'll not learn until forced to. I still can't get over the fact that they had to drop the charges on Mr. Rice for drawing a weapon with intent to USE it on a Police Officer... because the Officer was overseas fighting a war and could not get leave to come home and testify at the trial. It may be only peripheral to the main story, but THATS what really grabbed my attention, and made me sad. The judicial system is far from perfect. The DA should've gotten his testimony via live video feed; I mean really- wtf were they thinking? And to think I LIVE in this state!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 21:25:52 GMT
The live video thing would have kept this whole thing from ever happening. The guy would have been thrown back in prison for another 10 years or so, then when he got out, he'd only have to wait a few years before drawing social security. LoL, speaking of systems that are far from perfect...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2009 4:36:55 GMT
Good for the kid stand up to these dirt bags here in America we have the right to bare arms and defend ourselves. they better not throw the book at the kid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 4:16:34 GMT
What the students did not know is if the intruder had a weapon. Just because it's not in his hand doesn't mean it won't appear in the FUT (f***ed up tangle). Even worse, the intruder lunged at a man with weapon. He did have the option to move away from the man with the weapon, but chose not to take that action. This indicates he was attempting to get it. Now, what would happen once he had the weapon?
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There is a serious problem here with the understanding of weapon and self-defense laws. Even worse, there is the perception that the 2a (second amendment) applies to the states. SCOTUS ruled that it does not (see Heller 2008 for additional context and explanation).
With regard to self-defense, what matters is the STATE constitution and STATE law (except DC and Federal property). Each state determines the conditions for a valid claim of self-defense. A few require the defender to retreat (how silly). Some allow the use of lethal force to protect property, while others do not. Texas allows the use of lethal force for trespass at night, but not during the day (unless that has changed since 1998). Some states allow the use of lethal force in defense of other persons, while others require an existing "relationship" (Texas).
The key here is to understand the system. Start locally and move up. The most difficult is Federal...by design through SCOTUS decisions. Some of these decisions clearly contradict passages in the Federal Constitution. However, these decisions have not been successfully challenged.
Read Gun Control and Gun Rights by Kopel, et al.
You can get a good foundation in the "Education" section at originalintent.org.
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