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Post by shadowhowler on Sept 20, 2009 22:24:07 GMT
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Post by brotherbanzai on Sept 20, 2009 22:27:49 GMT
Oh that's cool, I didn't know Bret was in LotR! Flight of the Concord is great. I have the first season of their tv series on dvd.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2009 22:29:32 GMT
Yea, I love those guys. There's something about the underplayed ridiculousness of their interactions that I find absolutely hilarious.
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Post by sparky on Sept 26, 2009 2:52:25 GMT
LOL ;D
Love flight of the concorde............ It's business Time.
It's cool he was in LOTR, never recognized him though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 8:13:39 GMT
Rofl! Language warning on this one
oh and also;
Nothing wrong with a good spoof
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 8:40:54 GMT
That was funny! Very nice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 8:50:16 GMT
It's a blinking wallhanger for the love of God. I paid $124.50 for my United Cutlery Narsil from my wholesaler back in 2003 and it looks just as nice hanging on the wall as this $9000.00 one looks. A fool and their money are easily parted. If someone were to give me this piece of crap, I would auction it off and augment my collection with an assortment of real swords on my 'to get' list.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 1:57:51 GMT
It's a blinking wallhanger for the love of God. I paid $124.50 for my United Cutlery Narsil from my wholesaler back in 2003 and it looks just as nice hanging on the wall as this $9000.00 one looks. A fool and their money are easily parted. If someone were to give me this piece of crap, I would auction it off and augment my collection with an assortment of real swords on my 'to get' list. Which one are you talking about? The glamdring that Brendan posted?
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Sept 28, 2009 3:52:22 GMT
Due to Odingaard's reference to the $9000 ZND pricetag, I assume that he means the Anduril in the OP. And yes, I would do the same thing, and get a few Fables, Tinkers, and Odins instead. Heaven. ;D lol -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 11:48:27 GMT
Great finds there Blood. Now those are funny!
Anyone remember Bored Of The Ring by Harvard Lampoon ? I haven't seen a copy since 1971 but it may still be lurking about out there somewhere. A must read for a true LOTR fan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 16:56:59 GMT
I like the LOTR letters...don't know where they came from but basically, everyone writes in their own voice/diary- funny stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 0:15:00 GMT
What you have to bare in mind is these are hand made custom swords... just like you would get from Odin Blades or Howard Clark or any of the top of the line custom smiths. Except these are hand made by Peter Lyon, the guy who made the versions for the move and therefor has direct rights to their production. They are worth what you are willing to pay for them. Peter has MORE then enough work to keep him busy, he dose not need to produce these for the privite collectors market to keep food on his table. So if he is going to do what basicly amounts to 'side work'... its got to be worth his while. All this talk of 'they are overpriced' is, to me, a bit of color. Whos to say what these should be priced at? If the Aundril sword was 3k instead of 6k, would you buy it? I bet you would not. So... obvously YOU are not the intended market. The market for these swords is someone who wants as CLOSE as possible a functional sword from the movies... and it does not get closer then to be hand made by the guy who made them in the first place. Savay? This should be the only response when anyone semprinies about price.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 3:21:58 GMT
I'm not sure you can make that statement without having actually handled one or talked to the maker. To say that Peter Lyon would make a wallhanger is an insult to his craft. We don't actually know what it is made out of and it really doesn't scream wallhanger to me. It's like saying anything over a certain price is a wallhanger. I've known guys who have used several thousand dollar swords for cutting. I don't think it would be a wallhanger.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 6:45:28 GMT
I'm not sure you can make that statement without having actually handled one or talked to the maker. To say that Peter Lyon would make a wallhanger is an insult to his craft. We don't actually know what it is made out of and it really doesn't scream wallhanger to me. It's like saying anything over a certain price is a wallhanger. I've known guys who have used several thousand dollar swords for cutting. I don't think it would be a wallhanger. One of my mates with whom I do German Longsword training works at WETA workshop and was very lucky in purchasing one of Peter's old pieces from before LOTR (circa late 1990's I believe). It bears a remarkable resemblance to the VA/Atrim practical arming sword. Although blunt, it handled like a dream. And bear in mind this is from almost a decade ago. This guy knows his swords and is well aware that he is on a never ending journey in his craft. When you see the swords in the Hobbit movie you'll understand what I'm talking about. I also believe (and I mentioned it earlier) that if anyone doubts the worthiness of these swords I suggest you look at the 'making of' video in the OP. It does Peter Lyon a great disservice, I think, to regard these swords as simple wallhangers or 'pieces of crap'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 15:27:17 GMT
Actually, all swords are wall hangers for the most part- that is, most of us hang ours on a wall. I realize the derogatory inference that Odingaard used- I understand where he's coming from. I also understand where Chris B is coming from- two sides of the same coin.
What one would consider a useless or bad investment, is right up the alley of another. As I stated before, the people who can afford these types of pieces snap them up like we do VA Signature pieces. I don't know about you all, but when I do get my first VA Signature, its going to hit my pockets pretty hard.
The market Peter Lyon is catering to wipes their ass with the cost of that VA Signature daily, most likely. Its huge to us because the focus of the forum is sub-$300 swords, and while we do dally with the upscale market stuff, by and large we hover at or near the $1000 mark. Since that sword is nearly 6 times that, it is unfathomable to some of us that anyone would pay that kind of money for a replica sword.
And yet, if you visit the Nihonto forums (wherever they may be) you will see that the sum of $9000NZD is not so high as to be unseemly to them. They would understand that you pay for the craftsmanship, but also brand recognition, uniqueness, etc - and not just the sword itself. This is a sword handmade by Peter Lyon himself- I would equate that to Sting giving you a concert in your backyard and then pressing the CD himself and hand delivering it to you after the performance.
Ok, that might be a bit of a stretch but I'm sure most, if not all of you will get the inference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 20:09:07 GMT
It's a blinking wallhanger for the love of God. I paid $124.50 for my United Cutlery Narsil from my wholesaler back in 2003 and it looks just as nice hanging on the wall as this $9000.00 one looks. A fool and their money are easily parted. If someone were to give me this piece of crap, I would auction it off and augment my collection with an assortment of real swords on my 'to get' list. Which one are you talking about? The glamdring that Brendan posted? I posted that in the wrong thread, lol. I'm sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 4:22:08 GMT
So Odin, does that mean Du Sith is a wallhanger? Or any sword made by Jake Powning or any other high priced smith? Because honestly how many people would spend that much money and then cut with the sword?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 4:54:09 GMT
Du Sith is a unique artistic creation, not something that looks exactly like a sword that will run you $124.50 (or cheaper). If someone buys a $9,000 NZD Narsil, that is entirely up to them and their opinion. However, I'd have a hard time paying such a hefty price tag for something that looks just like something else that everyone else has. The only way I personally think that a version of Narsil or Anduril would be worth this much coin would be if it were one of the actual hero swords from the movie. If one is made then a smith merely duplicates his own or others previous work - well, it loses collectable value in my eyes.
I'd rather have a more unique creation, such as Brenno's version of a LoTR sword. His blades are artistic impressions, and no one else would own one like it. There is a difference in something unique and something that is merely a duplicate - and I care not if its made from adamantium, glows in the dark, and was forged by Crom himself. It still looks basically like the same SLO every other 16 year old kid wears around at the Ren Faire before they discover the definition of 'combat-ready' or 'hand-forged'.
As for cutting, unless its an antique, it gets cut with in my house. After all, would a $250,000 car be worth $250,000 if you could not drive it and it did not perform like a $250,000 car?
To each their own, but I'd not buy one...
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Post by kidcasanova on Sept 30, 2009 5:38:47 GMT
I'd have to disagree on this one, Odin. It is the United Cutlery swords that should be seen as the "unworthy duplicates" in this discussion. The swords in question, however, are an artistic impression created by the man who created the design in the first place. They are his artistic impression of Anduril, not a reproduction of someone else's.
How many Atlantean swords did Albion make? Were those mere wallhangers simply because they were duplicates of the movie sword? And what about the Atlanteans and the Father's swords that Brendan and Jeff made. Should those be scorned because they weren't completely original artistic impressions? Hell Jeff made his nearly 100% film accurate.
I'm thinking Lyon's swords are getting a lot of flack just because of the crappy United Cutlery versions, but you don't scorn the Albion Atlantean just because some chinese forges churn out a few cheapies based on it. No one bags on high-end katana just because a few kids think their 20 dollar wallhanger can chop iron.
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