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Post by ShooterMike on Jul 28, 2009 4:05:49 GMT
...And the PoB is only 2.8 inches. That seems WAY off for a sword like that. I would think it should be something like 5-7 inches. With a PoB of less than 3 inches I wouldn't expect that long a sword to actually be any kind of a good fighting or cutting weapon. But I could be wrong...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 4:15:08 GMT
*Sigh* Shooter: depends on what sword art you practice, german longsword for example I find works better with a sword that has most of the weight close to the guard because as I understand it that means there is more steel to support the guard and in german longsword the rigidity of the guard is extremely important, also point control is much better on a "back" weighted sword. Personally I prefer back weighted sword so it could be my own bias coming through in this comment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 4:52:22 GMT
blood, i know the skills of the smith got much more to do than steel types but somehow, i just feel better seeing those numbers...i don't know why ShooterMike caught something I didn't, and that's the 2.8" PoB on a 5 pound sword hmm...I've only handled the almost 3.5 pounds windlass german bastard, which seems lively with PoB at around the same spot. I really want to hold this thing now to see what it feels like.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 28, 2009 5:06:26 GMT
...And the PoB is only 2.8 inches. That seems WAY off for a sword like that.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jul 28, 2009 10:21:38 GMT
POB is definitely the pommel, so it would feel lighter than the numbers suggest. I hope we hear from one of the buyers.
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Post by hotspur on Jul 28, 2009 16:15:01 GMT
The weight is really not out of the range of historically based swords. Stout? Sure, and it is not just the hilt that adds weight to swords. The fittings are large in crossection and the blade crossection not really addressed.
Balance is often a factor of more than just the fittings, as a good many period swords have some pretty wild distal characteristics that put a lot of blade weight in the forte. Gus and others might refer to the polar effect but easier to just think of it in terms of mass distribution.
One of the wildest examples of perception vs fact is a sword I have handled on a few occasions. It is a migration era single hander with virtually just a butt cap as a pommel. When first handed to me for my thoughts, I hefted it and remarked it felt less blade balanced than it probably was and although it felt in the 4' range of balance, I knew it had to be somewherem between 6" and 9". The sword indeed weighs out at over 8" pob but is a delight to wing through the air.
In another vein of weight. MY A&A German Bastard weighs in the 4 1/2 lb range and is roughly 49"-50". My Del Tin is 51" all told and weighs a pound less. Two quite different swords but both of the XVIII types.
Then there are hisitoric "viking" tpes that ranged heavy as well. What I would not judge is the published weight for the Lyon production, is the offering expectanct as something as somehow historically based as an exemplary maxim.
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Hotspur; mebbe it includes a scabbard but I honestly didn't notice
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 17:16:51 GMT
If I had the type of bankroll where I could drop that sort of money w/out blinking? In a heartbeat. Because THAT sort of guy collects THESE sorts of weapons the way you and I scarf up the UC (or knock-off) offerings like hotcakes.
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Post by hotspur on Jul 28, 2009 18:07:13 GMT
True regarding variety and diversity but how many hotcakes equal the cost of a better eating experience? Some do have the budget or interest in having the top tier but it kills me as well to spend that much money on what ends up as a display piece.
Although, I have spent now over $1000 for a sword that will never be used as more than appreciative and of interest (to me) in history. I have no doubt if my budget allowed, I would be looking at the antique market and what I view as important pieces. Some simply feel that urge for modern collectibles. Up until that one higher priced antique, I had spent as much for several single knives as I had for longer blades.
The Paul Lyon sales had actually been noted as availables about a year ago but this new line of numbered swords seems to have been in the offing for some time. The Albion movie efforts as well took some time to gear up for the Conan series swords. As then, folk that want them find a way to make it happen. I really am at a stage of downsizing and taking losses on production swords acquired in the past decade to better fund my specific interests. One truth is that the limited editions, custom and antique market tend to hold better value, with the antiques really the only steady possibles for appreciating much in value. Well shopped, they at least tend to hold street values with some being worth a good bit more.
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Hotspur; one other thing is certainly true in that Lyon can and does make nice swords
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 22:42:58 GMT
If I had the money, I would buy it, unless I thought that I could get a custom made exactly like it but better for the same price or less.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2009 14:50:08 GMT
MUCH less...you could get a Lundemo or Powning original and any of a half dozen Atrims, Albions or A&As...something like that.
Like I said, there's a collector out there in the market for that...if/when I get to have pockets as large as his, I reckon I'll be chasing down similar beasts for display.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 1:00:32 GMT
But I want one sword to rule them all...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 20:28:23 GMT
It is the swordsman that must be worthy; the sword is but a tool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 21:51:56 GMT
But I want one sword to rule them all... Here ya go, dude:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 22:24:10 GMT
But I want one sword to rule them all... Here ya go, dude: Why?..
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 31, 2009 23:37:38 GMT
Because some people... much to my amazement and disgust... think that thing is cool. To each their own.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 13:19:03 GMT
I guess it is cool if you like a hideous slap of sharpened metal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 23:19:32 GMT
Here ya go, dude: Why?.. Doh!!! have to agree why? The thing looks like a shovel
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 2, 2009 0:03:29 GMT
Nobody can ever seem to get that thing right. Pity. ...what?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 7:30:09 GMT
Wouldn't an oar made out of steel get pretty rusty?
I think I can kinda get the appeal of something like that in a fantasy game or anime when you're just going for a really flashy look to everything. But I still think it looks like an oar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 7:34:58 GMT
Trust me mate sometimes it is the other way round, sometimes the tool has a worthy sword
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