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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 0:23:38 GMT
Now, many of you know that due to recent injury I have been having to use a cane to walk of late. Of course being the swordnut, blade-head, semi-martial freak that I am - I have to find as much info as I can on martial applications of the cane. In the search for a video on the full routine of Master Jesse Tsao's Eight Immortals Cane Routine 1: Yang - I ran across this little gem.
Problem one: The cane is used in the hand opposite the weak leg and his movements require putting stress on what would be a person's weaker lower limb.
Problem two: Changing the grip on your cane for an initial movement is telegraphing hostile intent and wasting precious seconds. This is why many other cane systems do not do this but instead teach opening movements that start from a normal "walking" grip.
Problem three: It's Choson Freakin' Ninja, do I need to say more.
Note to mods: I was actually unsure where to put this post but since it's a video I put it here. If any of you feel it would be better placed in one of the "other traditional weapons" forums, please feel free to move the post there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 1:10:24 GMT
hmm, a punch moves in a split second, good luck changing your grip and doing such a complicated series of movements in a split second. I was taught a variation of this with a hanbo but your hands are already in position and the technique is simpler.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 7:01:03 GMT
I'd say those problems are quite valid, regardless of his preceding reputation.
Why even use the cane in defense of a punch? Block with one hand then proceed as normal. Weak leg knee to groin, beat them with the cane screaming bloody murder the entire time, call cops, done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 9:35:51 GMT
I'll have to find the link again, but there is a basic cane technique that uses an underhanded "cut" from low right to high left to begin a defensive strike series. In Chinese sword arts this is a "Tiao" cut. It's used to disable the opponent's arm (by basically hitting the funny bone - hard). It's performed while stepping back and takes about the same time as a block. However, that ain't what ninja-for-brains is doing.
@ Steve, that's a valid technique and I was taught it a long time ago. Always fun. Then again, using a weapon against an unarmed opponent, even a cane (unless you are one of the elderly) isn't looked highly upon by the law. So yeah, a person might be better off using empty hand techniques from that standpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 10:15:22 GMT
I like the cane technique I was taught although it was more for an able bodied person. You step to the side and perform a rising cut to the muscle cluster in the upper arm, it hurts like an absolute b**ch! The funny bone is fun to hit too, especially when your opponent starts dancing around and swearing whilst he tries to shake the life back into his arm. Anything you can do with a weapon you should be able to do empty handed, if you can't you have no right to be using the weapon in the first place, that is my philosophy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 10:36:45 GMT
See the problem with teaching cane as a weapon is that those with the greatest interest are the elderly and slightly disabled. So in teaching that has to be taken into account, in my opinion.
BW, sounds like we are talking about the same basic technique here. A cane tip strike to the top of the opponent's foot is also fun, the person has to hop around like a fool after wards. I used that exact technique yesterday on a jerk who accosted me while I was walking to the grocery for a loaf of bread. Ya don't make fun of the guy with the cane, get it... Anyway, he was hopping mad (LOL) all the while I was walking away from him, ah good times, good times....
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Post by Insane on Jul 24, 2009 17:34:44 GMT
Why would the Choson one use a cane We all know his disability is mental so he doesn't need a cane but several years of counseling
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 21:25:22 GMT
What if he decided to punch you with the opposite fist?
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Post by Insane on Jul 25, 2009 5:56:44 GMT
What if he decided to punch you with the opposite fist? Since i watched all 4 of the karate kid movies several times. I'll wax on wax off in defense and counter atack with the crane.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 15:23:12 GMT
I think I would just use the cane as a club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 16:58:55 GMT
I think I would just use the cane as a club. That is a valid option, but a cane balances less like a club and a little more like a sword. In the street cane meets sword and saber very easily. Sword drills work really well for cane defense I am finding out. If you are interested in learning more you might want to check out this thread /index.cgi?board=otherweapons&action=display&thread=5824&page=1#91513
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 17:09:00 GMT
I am not very interested now, since I am hoping that I will never find myself needing a cane in the near future, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 17:11:33 GMT
I'm not exactly happy to be needing a cane right now myself. But, injuries happen I would rather be using the cane than walking with a crutch.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 17:25:13 GMT
That is true, because if you have a cane you can also have a sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 18:38:59 GMT
Not without a concealed weapons permit. A cane is legally (in this area) considered a medical device under most laws but a sword is a deadly weapon and subject to many of the same regulations as firearms. Before you buy that sword cane you have to be very aware of what your local laws are. In most states it is considered a concealed deadly weapon and cannot be carried without special legal permits. I would talk to a local police officer of criminal lawyer to get a clear idea what the laws are in your area.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 16:41:29 GMT
They can't let you have any fun at all these days, can they?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 22:36:31 GMT
Apparently no they can't. Admittedly, I know your comment was made in jest but legal aspects of sword owning are thing we have to take into consideration here. I just don't want to see you get into legal trouble for no good reason. Hell, if a cop really wanted to push it he could site any minor for having a sword or knife as in many areas only legal adults are allowed to purchase or carry weapons, but this varies widely by state and locality. You really think lawmakers would have better things to do with their time than pester us blade heads, but apparently no they don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 18:27:52 GMT
If it is "legally" in an adult's name, then it isn't mine, is it? Then again, they have to pester everybody about everything. Maybe I should get into politics myself, but let's not discuss that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 20:56:03 GMT
LOL, no let's not. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 23:54:44 GMT
sword cane = stupidest self defense weapon ever!
I'm no lawyer but even I know that with the stigma attached to swords you would not be able to make a strong case in court for self defense if you defend yourself with a sword cane, even if the other guy had a gun. Reason being, a sword cane really does one thing and that is stab effectively, stabbing is not really seen as one of the options for self defense (unless you are female, weaker sex and all that BS).
As to using a cane as a club, also not the best option, without either a very heavy cane or training in striking points, clubbing someone with a cane is not going to be the most effective defense.
Why is it all the cane routines I see are not aimed at the people who would use canes but those of us who are still young and strong and able to move quickly? Seems silly.
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