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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 0:26:37 GMT
Like I said that was the biggest part of my problem with the vid from the jack ***. I have mentioned before way back in the day when I actually studied martial arts at a dojang (korean of dojo) I was on a demonstration team for a group called Martial Arts for Handicapable. Google the old chop socky movie "Mister No Legs" and you'll see the guy I trained under and who ran it, the late Grandmaster Ted Vollrath. Whenever he designed a self-defense routine for a person he did take their limitations into account. IE a person who needed a cane because of a weak leg would be using a lot of empty stances where they would have their weight on the strong leg or one legged stances to protect the weak leg. That is what I would like to see in more can routines, personally. I'm not using a cane as an affectation but because currently I need the d*** thing. I also know the appearing injured does make me a more likely target that someone who is uninjured - I look like easier prey so to speak that's why I am seeking the knowledge to turn a perceived weakness, limping and walking with a cane, into a strength - I am now never unarmed and by it's very nature a cane is always drawn and ready.
What are some other peoples thoughts on this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 1:08:58 GMT
Honestly guys, can we stop posting dumb Choson Ninja videos on this forum? What's the point?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 10:56:52 GMT
dj: I've been saying that for ages, but people on here have a hard on for posting him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 15:35:22 GMT
a cane is actually one of the best self defense tools you can learn to use, and one of if not the only "weapons" you can take on an airplane... i know a number of black belts who've trained in cane who carry one not because they need it but because its such a versatile self defense tool
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 17:19:36 GMT
a cane is actually one of the best self defense tools you can learn to use, and one of if not the only "weapons" you can take on an airplane... i know a number of black belts who've trained in cane who carry one not because they need it but because its such a versatile self defense tool That's what I was going to point out. It is pretty much the only thing that can be easily used as a self defence weapon, that can be carried legally in any state, but allowed on planes for travel. Who says you have "need" it to carry it? A friend of mine studies WMA for years, and a few years ago he got badly injured and needed a cane for a long time. He started looking into cane combat arts, and the like as his sword training brain had make this stick in his hand useful. He has shared some of it with me and we talk, and it's really pretty effective. Considering for sparring around we use ratan canes, and they hurt like the dickens, a nice solid oak, metal, fiberglass cane is going to hurt a LOT more. There are a lot of things you can do defencely and offensively with a cane. There are a few Euro guys from long ago that developed actualized combat arts on using a cane.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 19:09:25 GMT
I think, in the proper context, these Choson videos can be great teaching tools...and not just for teaching tools, you know?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 21:07:08 GMT
Actually, I agree Ebon. We look at these videos and see, at first just "wrongness." This makes us discuss and think and think some more about how to do things more safely and more properly (I'm referring to body mechanics here). They are excellent examples of what not to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 4:43:49 GMT
Boyle, you only need worry about walking with a cane when you also find yourself needing a pipe and cardigan I'm quite sure there was a gentleman's defense method involving the cane, written sometime in the Victorian era, or slightly before. I do know the cane became a fashion item for the upper class around that time. That is probably why they're designed for the young and lively, or at least non wounded. It is unwise to try and engage a strong and healthy man when you have a handicap, I'd say. M.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 5:41:31 GMT
I disagree with the aboce statement because I think that a lot of "disabled" people can be far more talented in combat arts than you may assume I have seen a boy with no legs get second at OFSSAA in wrestling and he was absolutely incredible or have you seen blind wrestlers ? and the cane definately is capable of making up for the lack of a leg when it comes to combat especially because people underestimate the "disabled" persons
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Post by Insane on Jul 30, 2009 6:07:32 GMT
dj: I've been saying that for ages, but people on here have a hard on for posting him. You are so right, I keep saying to my self that i will ignore him and his vids. But he keeps on doing such stupied things that i just have to comment on his vids.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 30, 2009 6:19:20 GMT
Actually, I agree Ebon. We look at these videos and see, at first just "wrongness." This makes us discuss and think and think some more about how to do things more safely and more properly (I'm referring to body mechanics here). They are excellent examples of what not to do. Not to mention they are funny as hell... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 6:39:51 GMT
There are a few videos that he has done that are quite good, but much of his swordsmanship stuff worries me. He knows what he is talking about in some videos and in others he has no idea. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water is all I'm saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 17:05:55 GMT
A MA friend told me a story of a blind Aikidoka. He started training while he still had sight, but lost his sight and kep training. He was walking down the street (with is white cane) and got mugged. Or at least the guy tried. You can imagine what happened when the mugger grabbed the guy's wrist. He died from a concusion when his skull hit the curb.
I've heard that the combat cane thing is actually picking up popularity in the senior community. Places with large senior communities are seeing combat cane instructors opening classes and schools.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 0:42:39 GMT
That's what the Cane Master's group is saying. I will say the might be on to something.
And I will admit that the wrist lock Choson does show is an effective technique, my problem was that the way he shows the move would put stress on what would be the person's weak leg providing they had been using the cane correctly to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 1:01:49 GMT
Choson ninja isn't the only one teaching stupid sempr!ni on the internet and by posting continuously about him you just give him more notoriety and exposure, better to let people like that fade into the background.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 31, 2009 3:40:26 GMT
Choson ninja isn't the only one teaching stupid sempr!ni on the internet and by posting continuously about him you just give him more notoriety and exposure, better to let people like that fade into the background. I dissagree philosophicly. I say better to bring them out under the hot glare of open light and let them wilt. As to Choson Ninja having some vids that are good, the only way I have ever found any of his vids to be 'good' is when they inspire me to belly-shaking laughter. I would think you, of all people, would dislike him the most. Ninjitsu and its claimed practicionars have a hard enough row to hoe as it is when it comes to ANY form of ligitamcy without THIS tool making it even harder to take anyone claiming to study ninjitus seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 22:34:59 GMT
The fact that he is being serious in his videos makes them even more hillarious.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 1:38:29 GMT
Sean: I have a great dislike for 99% of what he teaches and yes people like him give ninjitsu a bad name BUT there are one of two videos of his that are close to what I was taught and not the usual semprini he is trying to pass off as ninjitsu. There was a vid where he teaches how to roll which had nothing incorrect in it, I don't doubt his ability with a shuriken although I don't like the fact that he show boats. There was also a reasonably good vid that he did on pressure point strikes. Not everything he does is crap, it is just unfortunate that he has gone for quantity over quality.
Any time he refers to something "ninja" I want to scream it is true and as I said much of what he teaches is crap but some of the more basic stuff like rolls and kicks he doesn't do too bad a job of, the rest of it is pure horse crap of the finest grade. There are so many people who give a bad name to ninjitsu, and I won't mention the name of names as I might stir up controversy. The only decent example of ninjitsu I have seen in the public domain was one of the practitioners of ninjitsu on that martial arts science show, which was informative. Then again I have run into complete tools in Australia as well, one of the local teachers likes to humiliate his students and big man himself by beating up on his students in the name of training, which really frustrates me. It is unfortunate that there hasn't been a real revival of ninjitsu with serious teachers and practitioners but hollywood and the media has done much to besmirch whatever good reputation ninjitsu practitioners may have. We don't claim to be ninja, we just want to study our art and be treated with the same respect as the other disciplines out there, after all our art is not as ridiculous as some of the mainstream arts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 6:04:56 GMT
that ninja guy they brought in for myth busters was pretty awesome HE CAUGHT AN ARROW
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 1, 2009 7:27:55 GMT
There was a vid where he teaches how to roll which had nothing incorrect in it, I don't doubt his ability with a shuriken although I don't like the fact that he show boats. There was also a reasonably good vid that he did on pressure point strikes. Not everything he does is crap, it is just unfortunate that he has gone for quantity over quality. I learned how to roll in judo... and used to be pretty good with shuriken. I had a big collection when I was a kid... and I used to practice crazy stuff in my yard with targets and movement. I had a bunch of the flowers... the ones with long thick stems and BIG white tops and a huge yellow... er... phallic like thing coming out of it. Anyway, those sued to grow next to my fence... and I would move around in the center of my yard and throw shuriken at them, try to cut them off at the stem. I got pretty good with it. Those skills can be learned and self taught without any ninjitsu training. I'd like to see his vid on pressure point strikes... link it to me if you find the time would you? The only decent example of ninjitsu I have seen in the public domain was one of the practitioners of ninjitsu on that martial arts science show, which was informative. Glen Levy. I found the guy interesting as well. What he was doing looked like what I picture in my mind when I think ninjitsu, but I have no factual basis for that. There is quite a bit of controversy out there about him (shocking, I know) a lot of people question the validity of his training and what not... ...btw, whats with the spelling issue between ninjItsu and ninjUtsu? Is this like the pronunciation wars about how to say 'tsuka'?
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