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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 20:59:35 GMT
Since I cannot "legally" take my telescoping baton to California next time I visit my relatives, I thought I'd find a substitute. One of the items under consideration is the walking stick or cane which any aging baby boomer or injured athlete/martial artist might be found carrying. I discovered this neat article Product Review by Phil Elmore which describes just such a tool and source(s) of instructions to effectively weild it.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jul 25, 2008 21:19:25 GMT
I wonder if just a regular young person could carry one around? I was looking into it and I am considering. Never know if one may need to go the extra millage to protect themselves.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jul 25, 2008 21:34:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 22:06:10 GMT
<synthetic blackthorn treelimb image>(thats the next cane I'm getting) www.trueswords.com/cold-steel-irish-blackthorn-walking-stick-91pbs-p-4085.htmlI was hit by a car so when ever it rains reall hard I need to use a cane and yes they are very effective as a "CQC" weapon ..... if you have any stick fighting expeiriance or bo/jo staff even boken training you will adapt quickly to useing a cane Sorry to hear about your injury. I know of similar complaints with breaks and weather change, but to need a cane...your injuries must have been extensive. This would make a devastating impact weapon no doubt, but I wonder how effective it would be in its secondary function. The TSA might balk at this "club", but possibly not at the more traditionally looking crookneck cane, which I would want to have with me if I need to negotiate the aisle or an irate immam trying to open the emergency exit.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jul 25, 2008 22:09:25 GMT
two words "WAX WOOD" some of the tuffest tree in the world
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 22:56:41 GMT
Here are a few of my favorites, I have yet to ever have anyone give me a second look (of course I am 47). I wouldn't see where a person of any age would have any trouble as long as they carried it with a little tact...I'm going to pick up one of the cold steel blackthorns one of these days just to save wear and tear on my real blackthorn they are getting very expencive and hard to find a good quality one...
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jul 26, 2008 2:15:23 GMT
i never had a problem with any one asking about a 27 Y.O. with a cane ....... but after my accident I have a spine like a ninety year old man (no offense to any member near or at 90 ;D )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 13:43:01 GMT
Here are a few of my favorites, I have yet to ever have anyone give me a second look (of course I am 47). I wouldn't see where a person of any age would have any trouble as long as they carried it with a little tact...I'm going to pick up one of the cold steel blackthorns one of these days just to save wear and tear on my real blackthorn they are getting very expencive and hard to find a good quality one... HG, Do you use a cane daily? Which do find the most convenient? Which do you think would be most effective in a self-defense role? I've been torn between these two competing objectives. The cane with the brass "door knob" (5th from top) looks pretty nasty. The bottom one looks really whippy. (Sjambok inspired?) The company I work for has a policy against bringing "martial arts" equipment to work. I have managed a more traditional looking cane without alarming anyone. However, a 4-5ft walking staff might get noticed. I was at Home Depot yesterday to have another house key made and stopped by the garden department where I examined the spare axe, matlock and rake handle stock. The ash is lighter, but the 32" hickory axe handle was awesome! Now, to dress it up with a table leg rubber cap, and door knob for a handle ... voila!
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Post by axeman on Jul 26, 2008 14:02:44 GMT
cool looking walking stick
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 14:32:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 5:06:10 GMT
A cane is a very effective self defence item. There are several different schools of martial arts that teach it, there is also a WMA that focuses on using something like a cane to defend one self but I can't remember the name of it. I think that the skull topped city stick from cold steel would be damn effective or one of there walkabout sticks. I will try and find the website that does really intricate martial arts walking canes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 12:03:07 GMT
H'sGrace, Thanks for the excellent links. I browsed abit to a get feel for the Irish stick fighting technique--a two-handed, close-and-win "bulldog" affair. (We stubborn Irish). The "10 Commandments" were unexpected--their philosophy on SF with a strong emphasis on decisiveness. The CS African walking stick looks awkwardly large. I have a few questions about it: (1) Just how big around is the knob? Is it the largest knob of all your canes? (2) How does the cane's overall mass compare with other canes? (3) Production quality: Any unsightly seams (according to one review at TrueSwords)? (4) Are you pleased with the ferrule? Does it beg for a rubber cap?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 18:24:55 GMT
1.The CS African is a BIG stick. The knob is apx 3in across, apx 8 in around. 2.It's mid weight between my blackthorn and my heavier stick with the brass hame. the balance is good and it's far from being what I'ld call heavy. 3.As far as seams, if you look for them you will probably see them, but unsightly I'ld say no. 4.the tip is functional, no it doesn't call for a rubber tip. When you first get it the tip can be slick but with use the tip scuffs up and looses it's slickness..sort of like the leather sole on a dress shoe.
I'll say this, I dont think it is a stick for every one, it's not real flash, and it's BIG but for late night walks I like it, I live in a semi rural area, when ever I take my dog (a german shepard ) out for her walk it goes with me, it also travels with me to less rural areas..
Finally cold steel likes to call this material indistructable but I would call it durable, if you whack it against a hard surface you will get dents and dings...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 18:26:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 22:59:10 GMT
H'sGrace, Thanks again for the links. The skilled operators depicted in the videos were amazing. But not all the techniques required sophistication (the one based on thrust and shield), which is encouraging to those us starting out to know that some simple, straightforward techniques can be effective. I'm fascinated by the use of the crook in take downs and control, but wonder how often these are really used. I've been looking at two canes from the WalkingCaneCompany: 161 Derby Hickoryand 7693 Walnut Stained Extra StrongI've not considered the blackthorn canes, since I'm not sure how they'd be received by security at work. I dont' think they're nearly as "unobtrusive" as you perceive them to be. A common looking cane (crook neck, derby) will raise far fewer eyebrows than the roughly finished limb of a tree/bush.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2008 14:01:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2008 18:35:50 GMT
If I could, I would prefer a sword cane. Unfortunately, that's a felony in California which is what I want to avoid. Prohibitition includes all sword canes, leaded variants and nunchukas. Since carrying a handgun in only a misdemeanor, I'd choose my Glock36 over the sword cane, if I must risk arrest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 23:59:18 GMT
You're probably right if you are concerned about taking it to work I would go with a derby or something simular, I personally have never had any problems carrying the blackthorn but I generally don't carry to work...If it was me I'ld go with the extra strong, but then I like heavier sticks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2008 3:10:20 GMT
I find sword canes ridiculous and not really that practical except as a killing weapon for stabbing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2008 20:18:56 GMT
I find sword canes ridiculous and not really that practical except as a killing weapon for stabbing. If the sword cane is constructed in such a fashion where the cane be used as an impact weapon and only employed as sword when conditions merit escalation, then I can see the added utility of a sword cane. Also, if one must engage multiple assailants, a sword cane with an edged blade might be superior to an 24" ice pick. (It's easier to recover and reengage from a cut than a thrust, it seems to me, but I could be wrong.) CS makes such a sword cane with a 24" edged blade. I'd rather have a katana, but a 40+" stick with rubber cap might draw unwelcomed scrutiny. Does anyone here honestly walkaround with their Hanwei Zatoichi sword cane?
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