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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 18:55:52 GMT
I understood the original thread that was posted months ago concerning Choson cutting a roll of tatami out of the hands of a 'student'. That was so blatantly wrong and unsafe and deserved to be addressed in a sword forum like this. But now it seems like people are just digging through Mr Park's video archives in an attempt at finding something to flame.
Boyle is a nice guy, but I think this most recent thread is really scraping the bottom of the barrel... Using the cane in the wrong hand? Telegraphing strikes by shifting grip? Who cares? There are hundreds of other bogus martial arts videos out there that are way worse than this. Whay aren't we posting them up instead?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 19:27:20 GMT
Actually, this was more of a "What The Heck" type post to begin with (or was intended to be). It just struck me as funny that the video turned up when I was searching for something else entirely. It could have also been irritation from having a bad day that day.
I was not trying to go out of my way to pick on Choson Ninja, nor intentionally find videos of his to pick on. Personally, I give less than a flying frozen rat's backside about what Mr. Parks may or may not be doing on any given day. So, I'll agree with Djemps, let's leave the Choson one alone for now, and get back to our swords.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 20:00:29 GMT
Speaking of swords, I don't know if I will ever be able to make up my mind permanently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 3:22:09 GMT
Actually, this was more of a "What The Heck" type post to begin with (or was intended to be). It just struck me as funny that the video turned up when I was searching for something else entirely. It could have also been irritation from having a bad day that day. Aha, that makes a little more sense then. It is certainly funny how his vids seem to pop up on youtube searches all the time. I'm sorry if my words sounded too harsh. But anyhow, let's get back to talking about real sword stuff instead of giving Choson more exposure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 11:55:24 GMT
It's okay, this post getting dragged out a bit much, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 1:45:00 GMT
There are a few of these pressure point videos which are not too bad and they do actually work.
The discrepancy between my spelling of ninjitsu and the other spelling ninjutsu is merely an affectation, when I was younger my father taught me jujitsu and the jitsu part always sticks with me, hence ninjitsu, that's the only reason.
Also on the subject of Glen Levy, this video pretty much speaks for itself;
I have never done the plum blossom poles because of the way my feet are (consequently the reason I had to stop doing ninjitsu) but I tried something similar and the only way I can really move and stay on is by using what is called a four footed technique, which is the whole cat movement idea but using hands and feet to balance with.
They have mistakenly called the hammerfist a death punch and in some regards it is, however there is a difference between dim mak and the hammerfist. The theory behind dim mak is that it is injecting negative chi into an enemy's body through certain points, it is also theorised that dim mak injects negative chi directly into the chakra points, ninjitsu does not make any such claim about the hammerfist, the hammerfist is about physical application rather than spiritual. It should also be noted that you can crack a skull with the right application of the hammerfist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 8:01:08 GMT
Well I´m not a fan of greg park´s technique for the most part...but he does have some that do actually work. The problem of course is weeding the ones that work from the ones that don´t. In anycase, my main problem with him isn´t a technique issue...it´s a safety one. If you see the list of videos, it´s not just a mat that he cut out of a student´s hand. He´s cut stuff out of people´s hand at least half a dozen time on video. And it isn´t even just using swords irresponsibly. He has taken children out in the water for training with no life jackets. He has been shown chambering a pistol in a park. He is a bloody menace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 8:15:01 GMT
No disagreement on my part with that particular statement. He is a menace, and some of the things he does are reckless, stupid and foolhardy, especially anything to do with him wielding a sword, that baseball swing thing he does is completely stupid and ridiculous. I prefer Glen Levy's video on pressure points to Greg Park's, but I was demonstrating a point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 10:55:58 GMT
At the very least, he has good intentions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 13:40:48 GMT
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 20:35:44 GMT
Lol, then I guess I know where I'm headed.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Aug 5, 2009 20:43:04 GMT
I would caution against deciding that one knows the true intentions of another. I doubt his intentions are good. in fact I suspect his intentions are self engrandizement at any cost or at least with blatent disregard for the cost to others. this is my opinion and while I realy hope it is wrong, I think that it is not.
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 5, 2009 21:45:23 GMT
I would caution against deciding that one knows the true intentions of another. I doubt his intentions are good. in fact I suspect his intentions are self engrandizement at any cost or at least with blatent disregard for the cost to others. this is my opinion and while I realy hope it is wrong, I think that it is not. Agreed. He strikes me as an ego-maniac who loves attention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 1:00:48 GMT
I can see your point, but consider the time when he posted an apology for the dangerous things he did, like cutting bamboo out of his students' hands. He could have argued that he was a ninja master and knew what he was doing, or that it was a test of trust for his pupils. Instead he humbled himself an confessed that what he did was indeed a dangerous thing to do. I know that some of his actions make him appear pretentious, but so far I have not seen anything that makes me think he is a proud fool. I know that he has many videos that are bad influences, but he has a few that are good. I'm not saying that we should excuse him from promoting dangerous activities, but insulting him just because he is "ChosonNinja" seems pointless to me. I also wasn't defending him, just so you know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 1:53:41 GMT
Does he really humble himself? At one point I was of the same opinion, he's apologised so he learned from his mistake and won't do something that blatantly stupid again, but time after time he keeps raising the bar on the level of danger to himself and to others. You can only apologise so many times and then continue to up the ante in stupidity before the apologies mean nothing. I used to defend this guy because I thought some of his teachings were viable and that he was actually a humble guy who was looking to better himself and others. Now I am not so sure, some of the things he has done, no serious martial arts practitioner could ever condone. Sure he has some things right, but the list of stupid things far exceeds the the right things.
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 6, 2009 2:26:12 GMT
Does he really humble himself? At one point I was of the same opinion, he's apologised so he learned from his mistake and won't do something that blatantly stupid again, but time after time he keeps raising the bar on the level of danger to himself and to others. You can only apologise so many times and then continue to up the ante in stupidity before the apologies mean nothing. I used to defend this guy because I thought some of his teachings were viable and that he was actually a humble guy who was looking to better himself and others. Now I am not so sure, some of the things he has done, no serious martial arts practitioner could ever condone. Sure he has some things right, but the list of stupid things far exceeds the the right things. ^ This.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 5:14:53 GMT
in regards to the hammerfist, what strikes me as strange is that all the practitioners I have seen practising this particular technique start from a fist, you get much more speed and power if you start off with a knife hand strike and at the last moment you pull your hand into a fist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 23:20:21 GMT
What did he do after the bamboo cutting videos? I have only watched the videos posted on this forum, so I don't really know.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Aug 7, 2009 3:03:59 GMT
consider the time when he posted an apology for the dangerous things he did, like cutting bamboo out of his students' hands. He could have argued that he was a ninja master and knew what he was doing, he DID. or that it was a test of trust for his pupils. again, he DID Instead he humbled himself an confessed that what he did was indeed a dangerous thing to do. he did NOT. anything he said that might have been humble was immediately followed up with a "but. . .(continue excuse), so it's ok if I do it." I know that he has many videos that are bad influences the way I see it, that's all you need to know, because if he won't stop before he becomes a bad influence then he either doesn't know what a bad influence is or doesn't care that he is. either way once he has established himself as willing to cross the line into unreasonable and unsafe areas he voids all credability from that point on until he starts speaking out against the stupidity and trying to reteach what he has already taught irresponsibly. gosh I hope that makes sense, it does to me. I'm sorry if it seem like I'm picking you apart Jonathan, I don't mean to but I feel like we watched two different appology videos from him. I saw nothing appologetic about it. I have no problem with Greg Parks skill set in and of itself. every martial art has things that will only work in very limited cases or are impractical or even unusable. no the problem I have with Mr. Parks is his total lack of regard and respect for the safety of those he trains and is around, his conceited attitude, and his lies. Liars bother the crap out of me and he has been caught in plenty. even if everything else he did was good and valid I would distrust and dislike him for that alone. if you want to know what I'm talking about just queue up any of his videos that talk about history or the origins of his art (or any art). no sorry, nothing good will come from this.
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 7, 2009 3:51:08 GMT
Tom, you said a mouthful, and summed it up perfectly.
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