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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 12:43:06 GMT
It can be welded and be just as strong or stronger. You will have to find some good at TIG welding and use heat sinks. Any ways dosen't matter since you are geetin the sword replaced. Watch over tighting, I have the same problem snapping bolts working on engines and other things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 14:59:40 GMT
I think it was cause I'm so used to tightening stuff on my bike and usually when you tighten stuff on a bike you want it so tight that its ridiculous but I'm also pretty sure that Brendan is correct about the improper assembly because if you look closely there is a mild discoloration around the area where the bolt snapped which appears to be either a weld of attachment or some sort of flaw in the metal or heat treat. and although i was clearly pushing the sword beyond what it was supposed to do there is no way that I know of under which the swords bolt would become discolored especially because very little to none of the stress from hitting those branches would have been around the pommel of the sword ( I'm pretty sure on that one ) Irregardless of how it broke though I did effectively void the warranty when I decided to hit a tree branch and in that sonny is an incredibly generous and kind man and I respect him greatly im pretty sure I plan on getting a lot of his swords Ive got my eyes on the hedemark maletesta and the warder for sure
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jul 19, 2009 18:45:06 GMT
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 19, 2009 20:06:41 GMT
[ Just an FYI, actually a great deal of the force from hitting anything would have been around the pommel. See this thread for more info... Bonzai is very right... the force transfer during swing and impact... and a strong assembly is critical because of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 21:08:22 GMT
If the threads are on a rod that has been welded to the tang, I think I may just pass on this line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 21:40:28 GMT
Asa others have said, that may have been the exception, and other swords from Sonny have held up fine, all it takes is one guy to make a mistake and a manufactures rep goes down, but Sonny takes the time to address this with exultant customer service and more than makes up for it....I hope the Hedmark's pommel is peend...SanMarc.
Not Hairu's fault, bad weld.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 19, 2009 21:52:05 GMT
I hope the Hedmark's pommel is peend...SanMarc. I'm pretty sure all the signature line swords will have the threaded pommel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 21:53:42 GMT
You can wait for the Regal Hedemark, it will be peened.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jul 19, 2009 22:30:16 GMT
Sonny is doing some great things with the swords he offers. If it turns out to be a design flaw, I would expect he will address it and correct the situation.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jul 20, 2009 3:25:04 GMT
The one thing that I'd hate to see come out of this is this whole vibe of "I'm not buying a sword with a rod welded on." Theres nothing wrong with welding a rod on if it's done right. If it's done wrong then it's bad. Just as any part of construction is bad if done wrong. There just seems to be this bandwagon of "Peens are better" and its just BS. Now there will be some people that read the OP and not the rest of the thread and just jump in with an opinion, and there will be some people that just don't want to change their opinion. Theres nothing wrong with sleeve nut construction, OR welds. IF done properly. I mean c'mon, folded steel means that the whole blade is welded and yet people love that, and rarely question it. This pic should hopefully illustrate how much weld is holding together a properly done welded rod. The 'V' between the round surface of the rod and the square surface of the tang cut allows the weld to bleed right in between the pieces and even after faced back level with the tang there is heaps of weld left. As for stress at the pommel, I addressed that at my previous post. Yes theres stress but it's mostly at the base of the pommel, where the broad keyed section is. A proper temper is still essential surrounding the weld. The rod being mild means it will bend rather than snap. Or if the rod is ground out of the tang stock it must be tempered soft so it won't snap. Bottom line, do anything right, be it peening, sleeve nuts, making blades or anything, and it's strong. Do it poorly and it will break. With Gus Trim as technical adviser Sonny will offer good swords. And he is clearly a great supporter to his clients.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 4:06:08 GMT
Thank you Brendon for illustrating this exultant point, for the long swords I think the nut will work fine, as to the one handed (Viking) I just would like to see it peened, if I am going to keep it that way, like on my DSA viking, I'm glad it was threaded so I can modify it to my taste's....If it was peened, it would have been harder to modify...SanMarc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 14:00:49 GMT
Things that make us smarter. Thanks for the post. I wasn't worried that it was welded so much as it was butted up against the tang and welded. I have limited experience with welders (old HVAC job) and even I know that's a bad thing for devices that should have force applied on them. M.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 15:27:59 GMT
I think there should be an 'Awesome Retailer' category...Sonny would certainly fit that bill. Prompt customer service is severely underappreciated in this day and age; way to go Sonny.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 16:37:34 GMT
So is there a problem with the way that the new VA swords are being made, or was this just a bad individual that got through? I don't think I have ever heard of an Atrim breaking at the tang, and they have the recessed nut too. Would you say that these VA tangs are done correctly, or bad?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 16:40:00 GMT
I think it was an individual sword flaw but I will have to wait till I get the replacement to truly tell you that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 16:42:01 GMT
I am curious, because the threaded section of the tang does look somewhat fragile to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 16:53:50 GMT
So I just cross refferenced the pictures on shadow howlers review and my computer and I found that the threads on our tangs are slightly different, the threaded part on mine is longer and possibly part of the flaw itd be nice if shadow howler could maybe post some pics of his tang up close for a better comparison
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 17:03:03 GMT
heres a side by side the green is shadowhowlers the red is mine (and yes my camera is better mwa ha ha ha)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 17:31:50 GMT
I am hoping that this was the fault of one sword made wrong, and not the entire line of swords made wrong.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jul 20, 2009 17:40:14 GMT
There's nothing wrong with the recessed pommel nut design, that isn't the part that failed. The failure was the junction between the threaded part of the tang and the rest of the tang. The possible (we don't know because we haven't heard from Sonny yet) design flaw would be if the threaded portion is butt welded to the tang. Even that might not necessarily be bad. What would be bad would be if it was butt welded and the weld didn't go all the way through the steel, not full weld penetration. That's what it looks like from the picture, but pictures can be deceiving and we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I would hold off on any judgment until Sony chimes in.
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