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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 11:10:38 GMT
This is a video of my second time cutting, unfortunately my conversion tool for changing the videos to a usable format wasn't particularly good to me and only a couple of the cuts came out properly, but I strung these together in WMM so I could put them up here. Any advise or comments would be appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 16:36:32 GMT
Well you certainly have an interesting cutting style, never seen anything quite like that, not with a western blade anyway.
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 11, 2009 17:19:36 GMT
Nicely done, Triddle. A testimony to Ian's tutorial too. Only advice I'll give is to get an all wood stand, swinging a sword at metal is a bad idea for me, LOL. Looks like you got the cutting thing down. +1
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Feb 11, 2009 17:25:35 GMT
I gotta defend his style a bit here. what he's doing is a good recovery form for single handed cutting. the thing that makes it look odd is that he recovers first than cuts and recovers again. ok it isn't text-book but for a guy who is just feeling things out, I'd say he did very well. I'm not biased because he plugged my video either, I do similar movements when I cut with sword and shield.
+1 well deserved
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 11, 2009 18:30:51 GMT
Pretty good cutting, and yeah, the form looks fine to me. It seems to do the trick, at least. Blade must be nice and sharp. Good job on that. Sword is pretty, too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 13:06:05 GMT
I wasn't attacking his style, I was taught much the same thing with the chinese dao, I just haven't seen it at all in any of the WMA I have observed or undertaken.
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Post by alvin on Feb 12, 2009 14:26:53 GMT
Hey...I like the music !! Some darn accurate cutting too triddle ... lots o onion rings..very few chips !! Most of your cuts remind me of late 19th/early 20th century sabre cuts. That circular movement ( moulinet ) over the head is very similar to the horizontal cut in carte as described in the U.S. Army Saber Exercise of 1907. One hint from one of us who doesn't allude to being an expert...Concentrate on stopping that sword sooner after the completion of the cut. I found myself allowing the sword - also a "Viking" sword - to travel way too far past the target, and realized that it could be dangerous. Great vid. Thanks for sharing it. + 1 2 U.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 14:54:23 GMT
Stopping the cut also allows the cut to work the way it should. It brings all the mechanics into play as they are meant to be and makes for a much cleaner cut.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Feb 12, 2009 17:13:46 GMT
wraith, I understand you weren't attacking his style, I responded that way mostly because in a PM I've got from him he was worried that his form was too showy and twirly and I wanted assure him that he was doing ok. on the stopping the blade thing: that's fine for two handed swords but I disagree with it for single handed work. especially with larger cut oriented swords like this one. yes, ok, stopping is pretier and MAYBE it gives a cleaner cut but with a single handed sword that puts a LOT of strain on your sword arm and can cause injury especially in the elbow. the body just doesn't line up right for it with one handed swords. personally I think that continuous cutting that flows from one strike into another is way prettier.
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 12, 2009 19:33:21 GMT
I agree with you, Ian, on the stopping with a single hander, especially if it has some weight. I was trying that with my KC Warsword last year. The elbow is exactly right. Took a while to recover, still acts up at times. Way better to transition, I think.
Wraith, I didn't see your comment as an attack either, our friend Triddle did ask what we thought.
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 12, 2009 20:02:09 GMT
Awesome! +1 sir. I've been tempted by that Global Gear Viking sword also... what do you think of it? It looks as tho it may be a bit heavy... I saw at one point you were rubbing your shoulder from the strain? Are you going to review it? I second Ric's suggestion about an all wood stand... even tape it up the way his have been done. Even the beter of us smack the stand from time to time... and it would be a SHAME to bash that Viking into metal. I *KNOW* they do exactly that in the Global Gear promo vids... but promo vids are propaganda and NOT to be trusted!
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Feb 12, 2009 23:11:57 GMT
My cutting stand has no metal in it anywhere above the legs. so as long as I keep my cuts more than 3 inches above the ground I'm fine. the way I make my cross piece is I have a 1 inch hole drilled in the bottom of it and I use the same peg to hold it in place as I do tatami. well not the EXACT same peg, but from the same stick of 1" ash. I have a pointed peg for tatami and a blunt peg for the stand.
I like the GG viking with the hamon. I can't remember what Paul said about itsw weight in his front page review, but I think the only thing he didn't like was the extra thick grip.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 23:47:30 GMT
I like the sword quite a lot, its really tough and I find it handles pretty well. Maybe I'll have a go at reviewing it in the coming weeks to give a more overall idea. Mine as mentioned in the video is the one without the hamon but even so it seems to cut pretty well to me. I don't take any issue with the size of the grip, but as I'm fairly new to the whole swords thing maybe thats a mark of my inexperience. The problem I do have with the grip is that the funny wrapping it has came undone very quickly after a little use, and at this point my sword has just pieces of the wrap hanging freely from the handle. As to the weight of it I guess I'd say it is pretty heavy, and yeah my shoulder gets sore after extended use, but I have quite a few problems with my right arm in the begining, when I use it left handed I have no worries with it so I think thats just old injuries (I know... I'm 18) causing me trouble. Yesterday I went to the recycling centre and got many bags of bottles, nice old man there let me in and spent most of the afternoon cutting. After that my arm was too sore to do anything with but this morning its all good. Maybe as I get used to the mechanics of swinging the sword that will become less of a problem. I fixed the 'metal' problem by putting a wooden pallet ontop of the barbeque as a temporary fix, of course that had nails in it but I figured I was less likely to hit those than I was to hit the barbeque metal. On one of my cuts (I'll try to get a video of this up, not sure how much of the session the camera captured yet though) I had just a small piece of a milk bottle left and attempted to cut it, hitting the pallet at an angle on the corner, the bottle was cut and so was the pallet, a somewhat large chunk was removed from its corner. On inspection of the blade I noticed no difference at all to previously, it was still just as sharp as far as I could tell and without even a scratch. So I guess that is some testament to how tough it is. Since I'm moving to university tomorrow that was probably my last chance to cut or even handle any kind of swords for a little while
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 13, 2009 2:01:49 GMT
Thats too bad... I still have to put a good edge on my Global Gear Templar sword so I can see how it cuts... but I liked the look of their viking sword. I also was looking at the TH one, not the DH one... as I am cheap. A shame about the grip wrap coming off tho.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 4:17:24 GMT
Nice cutting Triddle! +1
Sorry to hear the wrap came off. Maybe you can do a new wrap over one of your college breaks. There are some really nice tutorials here. Shootermike and Odingard do beautiful custom grips on their swords and have posted a lot of info (with pics) on how to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 13:03:45 GMT
Maybe I can make a different suggestion (sorry was in a japanese from of mind when I was talking about stopping). I don't think the style is flashy but I think that if you are going to make a cut like that you might want to consider a double cut that way the energy transfers itself better and it is easier to stop the sword without strain at the end of the cuts. I think that the way you are cutting at the moment and the apparent weight of the sword is leading to you possibly hurting yourself.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Feb 13, 2009 15:22:05 GMT
really? why is that? the energy of his swing dissipates in the recovery and return to his original poisition. if he were to adjust his stance and form a little he would be returning to a guard. I don't know what you are seeing but I'm not seeing it. could you elaborate further please?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 15:47:11 GMT
I guess what I am seeing is that the uncontrolled nature of the recovery could cause damage to the rotator cuff especially if the sword is heavy. It could just be me being my usual safety officer self or maybe I am seeing what isn't there I just thought I would tell it as I saw it. The mechanics of oriental swordsmanship and european are very different so maybe I am getting my wires crossed but from what I learnt in WMA and also in the NVG it is all about how you recover and come back on guard to minimise the risk of injury.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Feb 13, 2009 16:41:25 GMT
hmmmm him shoulder does seem to pop some which could cause some pain but I was discounting that as an artifact of his previous injury. I agree that the recovery should be smooth. I think this will sort itslef out with practice. basically one should use movements that are natural to the body and smooth as possible
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 17:07:01 GMT
I also see how uncontrolled his blade is as he completes the cut, like he is going to scalp himself with his own blade. Triddle: please don't be offended, I am just stating it as I see it. Take a look at these vids and maybe they will demonstrate what I am trying to say about control. www.albion-swords.com/cutting-knight.htm
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