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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 5:31:49 GMT
Not sure if many have seen Adams little display of cuts to promote western blades for his store. NOTE: The swordsman depicted in this movie is a professional with years of dedicated training, please do not attempt any unsafe practices with a sharp blade unless you have full control and personal protection and a clear zone of practice. Long story, unprofessional cutting and sword twirling can lead to ambulance calling
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 6:35:36 GMT
eurl=http://www.roninswords.com.au/home.htm&feature=player_embedded Not sure if many have seen Adams little display of cuts to promote western blades for his store. Fixed for ya, don't use the youtube embed thing.
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 5, 2009 6:39:49 GMT
Looks to me like he had a hell of a lot of fun...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 9:07:06 GMT
Lots of fun maybe...but pretty unsafe in some of the stuff he did. I don't approve of the sword juggling for instance. That's the biggest culprit...but also striking at targets behind you is bad. So is switching grip in mid swing. And considering that we aren't suppose to post vids of somebody doing something unsafe, I don't think this belongs here...not to be a party pooper and all, but after a thread in the Japanese sword about running your thumb down the blade to test it's sharpness, we really need to watch it. And it's not just this forum...other forums are becoming very complacent about safety issues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 9:22:28 GMT
Oh my god are you serious?! There's probably ten videos that shouldn't be on this site because of lack of safety.
And that was my fault, so why should anybody else need to "watch it?" I'm the only one who's account is being questioned for that, and why drag it into other threads. Good lord.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:13:41 GMT
Oh my god are you serious?! There's probably ten videos that shouldn't be on this site because of lack of safety. And that was my fault, so why should anybody else need to "watch it?" I'm the only one who's account is being questioned for that, and why drag it into other threads. Good lord. Then point out those ten videos. I saw this one. When I see another I will comment on that too. As for the other thread you were involved in...I'm not picking on you per say...but that attitude you have is something that is relevant in general. People are getting comfortable and complacent...and that makes me very uncomfortable. There are people out there just waiting for one bad thing to happen so they can swoop in and ban swords and knives and guns (for the children of course). And then there is the legal issues. Things like this can get Paul sued. It can get YOU sued. Hell somebody follows what this video does and kills somebody and criminal charges can come up. This is not a light issue here. I know you thought you were being a smart ass when you said what you did, but this isn't a joke. This isn't funny. Fine another example then? The video of two ARMA people without facemask or gorget fighting that tsafa brought up turns out to be two leaders of that organization. And yes if you read the thread, they are advocating that you should actually train train train so you too can put your life at risk just like them. People accept this. People are okay with this. And as soon as something goes wrong, you can bet that all the strides that was made in the past 20 years in WMA studies will go down to toilet. This attitude is something the heads of a major WMA organization has. This isn't just you Ken. I just use that as an example (actually the latest example I ran across...which is why it got used FYI...it wasn't personal, I was just using it to make a point). This is a danger slope we are heading down right now. I'm just tossing some life lines and hoping for the best.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:20:21 GMT
I'm talking about the videos of people cutting with Shirisaya, which is something that just about everyone on this site has agreed should never be done for safety purposes. I recall a video where someone cut a can of gasoline and it caught on fire in a blaze. Things like that.
I'm not saying I agree with this video, I think it's stupid in many ways but I just think you should take it easy, there's lots of things that are allowed to slide.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:30:34 GMT
There was one cutting with a shirasaya that I know of...but it was regripped(and he STILL got a lot of flak for it). And then there is Paul doing so on the main site...with a LOT of disclaimers of how dangerous it is. But you do notice how he avidly discourages the behavior? As for the flaming gas can...well if there is a vid of that on this board, that should not be here as well. Hey I don't read everything ya know.
As for taking it easy...no I won't. I will not back down from pointing out reckless and irresponsible behaviors. And I don't know if you noticed this...I don't let things slide. I may miss things because lets face it, I don't have time to read it all...but I really don't let things slide.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:33:42 GMT
Well I'm kind of on the same side as you, I mean I was one of the people who disagreed with him cutting with a Shirisaya, in the thread you're talking about(assuming we're talking about the same thread) Maybe the mods of the sections just need to keep a better watch out and be more strict?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:46:45 GMT
Yeah that would help...who is the mod of this board anyways?!?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:50:56 GMT
Adam sharp, marc ridgeway until(if) adam comes back.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Feb 5, 2009 12:53:24 GMT
Yeah that would help...who is the mod of this board anyways?!? I am. I am sorry you disagree with my "policing" I am not going to arbitrarily delete videos because of someones opinions of what is safe ands what isn't. Of course blantant violations such as ritual sacrifice or animal 0r human cruelty will not be tolerated, but videos of cutting will remain despite the urge to censor by some few . In a world of blindfolded escrima, XMA , Steel on steel ARMA full contact sparring I don't really see why this is so offensive as to be removed. This is not a repressive regime. This is a sword forum. If something in a video is unsafe , the open discussion and discourse of ideas will address it , and make it a fine reference either way... by allowing the video to stay the entire community gets to see it and judge its content for themselves ....not just Cold Napalm. Please keep comments in this thread topical about the video in question. Complaints about my moderation can be addressed to Paul Southren or Daniel Sinclair
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 12:56:46 GMT
Glad to see people talking about this, its always in the best interest of us all who have experience to set a good example for the people who are new to our community & swords in general...
Often times, people will purposely post videos of people behaving recklessly in order to point out what NOT to do. Which i can see as a good thing considering there may be inexperienced people trying to use swords or other weapons who may not realize they are putting themselves or others in danger. In those cases, the visualization of mistakes can help them recognize the dangers.
But when someone is doing something in a video that is reckless, and it was never intended to be a "don't do this" type of post, then it is good to see others stepping up and pointing them out like Cold napalm did. In regards to the other thread, well i made my feelings pretty clear on that and i just assume leave that over in the Japanese section.
At any rate, its obvious that the guy in this video has practiced what he's doing for a long time, (not as reckless as an amateur doing it), but there are still a couple of dangerous things in the video that are usually frowned upon for anyone to try. Which were pointed out... Like "Showboating"
Out of all the training, and handling of swords i have done so far, only one time have i cut myself. It was as small as a 1/4" and not deeper than a paper cut. But you know what? I was really upset that i had gotten distracted enough for that one second to allow that to happen while handling a live blade.
Sure accidents happen, and even masters make mistakes (ask one, they'll tell you), but its the precautions that we take to minimize potential mistakes that is an integral part of respecting the arts...
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 5, 2009 16:16:00 GMT
If we start picking nits about safety in videos, that's it's own slippery slope and I am probably in deep poopie.
Back on topic, I'd like to get a closer look at these swords.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 16:47:57 GMT
Rick, I went to his site to see them, he is an Australian dealer for CAS hanwei, Albion, DSA, Cheness, WKC and 7seas. www.roninswords.com.au/home.htm It is likely they were from those companies. I agree it would be nice to know which models were used in the video. Gumdo can be "over the top" too. I have to turn from behind and cut in one of my forms, so I practiced this in the cutting I did over the weekend. It is nice to know Marc won't censor my vid if I post it .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 17:52:53 GMT
I am sorry you disagree with my "policing" I am not going to arbitrarily delete videos because of someones opinions of what is safe ands what isn't. Of course blantant violations such as ritual sacrifice or animal 0r human cruelty will not be tolerated, but videos of cutting will remain despite the urge to censor by some few . In a world of blindfolded escrima, XMA , Steel on steel ARMA full contact sparring I don't really see why this is so offensive as to be removed. This is not a repressive regime. This is a sword forum. Okay so I do disagree with you Marc on this one. It's only unsafe till something REALLY bad happens? The whole point is to avoid the bad happening. And I'm not saying go bonkers and delete every little thing that is unsafe...but sword juggling?!? Oh come on, I doubt even you can say that is a safe action to emulate. I'm not saying it has to by MY standards...but there has to be a level below using humans as cutting stands where we can pretty much agree is unsafe. Cutting with shirasayas for example. And I'm gonna just put it out there that juggling a sword would be at that level as well. James, I do agree that videos of what not to do is fine. Debbie...I know about Gumdo and how over the top they get. However that is proper form and as long as it's labeled as a gumdo form I don't see the harm. It isn't you just freeforming against a target behind your back but it's from a from a codified martial arts. And it also means the viewer knows to go learn gumdo before trying that form.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Feb 5, 2009 18:08:45 GMT
Even me?
Wow ....
The video is fine... unless I am overruled by Paul, it stays. Of course I do not condone sword juggling but XMA that is much worse has been posted all over the net including SFI without the villagers getting out the torches and pitchforks and screaming "censor"
Of course many things are less than safe HOWEVER I must point out that changing grip and cutting targets behind you iare viable technique....
If you find something unsafe it is perfectly fine , and even helpful and appreciated to point out that it is unsafe...
It is not helpful to question the forums policies , or to try to censor the content...
Very simply , it should be noted that sword juggling is an activity that untrained or inexperienced people should not participate in...and that most trained people find silly and DON"T participate in ...that noted the thread should IMO proceed as schelduled ...
IMHO tragedies will not be prevented by censoring videos... intelligent conversation about the content of the videos is far more helpful.... better to educate the community than to attempt to obfuscate...
Your objection is duly noted... I too disagree with sword juggling.
I also enjoyed the video.
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 5, 2009 18:23:28 GMT
IMHO tragedies will not be prevented by censoring videos... I agree, I would actually go so far as to say showing the vids could prevent tragedies. For example, I have not banged an SLO on a table since seeing this;
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Post by wiwingti on Feb 5, 2009 18:41:53 GMT
IMHO tragedies will not be prevented by censoring videos... I agree, I would actually go so far as to say showing the vids could prevent tragedies. For example, I have not banged an SLO on a table since seeing this; this guys haven't been lucky lol it means to take care of what we do, with videos like that and these discutions,, it is the only way to prevent fom danger. if they are not showed,,it could be one of us,,oups,,a new member that this could happen to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 18:43:45 GMT
Even me? Wow .... The video is fine... unless I am overruled by Paul, it stays. Of course I do not condone sword juggling but XMA that is much worse has been posted all over the net including SFI without the villagers getting out the torches and pitchforks and screaming "censor" And you don't see that as a problem with the community at large?!? Because I certainly do...in fact that is one of the points I was making about this group getting comfy and complacent. Just because it's accepted doesn't mean it SHOULD be. Yeah I know, once we start to censor, that can get messy as well and we don't want that to happen either. Actually deleting isn't really a good answer either. James hit the nail on the head with discussing the issues as we are now is a much better method...but I do wish for future posters to keep in mind safety issues before posting. If something is on the dangerous side, say so. Point it out in the OP. Then you won't see my rant . And see even you agree that sword juggling is bad so I was right . I thought it was forum policy that unsafe cutting videos were not suppose to posted...unless I'm mistaken. And you just did agree that sword juggling is unsafe...so I'm failing to see how I'm trying to change forum policy on this. And dispite all my huff and puff, I must admit that I too enjoyed watching the video. He's quite good...but it still doesn't negate my objections .
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