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Post by wiwingti on Feb 5, 2009 18:52:28 GMT
the member that would post dangerous videos would just have to titled it as do not try that,,or something like that. if no oine talk about these,,no one will know what is dangeroius for the new commers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 19:02:27 GMT
Ok, we have some obvious disagreements, everybody contributed some good points here. So in that spirit, lets move forward! Back to topic: I remember when i first started dealing with Brian Dreier of Roninswords i searched youtube to find any videos of his swords. I wanted to see some customer reviews, and i ended up stumbling onto this guys videos - Roninswords.au The guys got some skills for sure, actually... i am intrigued because in all my time here watching cutting videos, i had yet to see someone wield a Euro sword like that. Made me want to learn more about them.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Feb 5, 2009 19:11:08 GMT
Even me? Wow .... The video is fine... unless I am overruled by Paul, it stays. Of course I do not condone sword juggling but XMA that is much worse has been posted all over the net including SFI without the villagers getting out the torches and pitchforks and screaming "censor" And you don't see that as a problem with the community at large?!? Because I certainly do...in fact that is one of the points I was making about this group getting comfy and complacent. Just because it's accepted doesn't mean it SHOULD be. Yeah I know, once we start to censor, that can get messy as well and we don't want that to happen either. Actually deleting isn't really a good answer either. James hit the nail on the head with discussing the issues as we are now is a much better method...but I do wish for future posters to keep in mind safety issues before posting. If something is on the dangerous side, say so. Point it out in the OP. Then you won't see my rant . And see even you agree that sword juggling is bad so I was right . I thought it was forum policy that unsafe cutting videos were not suppose to posted...unless I'm mistaken. And you just did agree that sword juggling is unsafe...so I'm failing to see how I'm trying to change forum policy on this. And dispite all my huff and puff, I must admit that I too enjoyed watching the video. He's quite good...but it still doesn't negate my objections . My problem Cold Napalm is not with you pointing out something you view unsafe... its with you derailing the entire thread to make a two page issue out of it... Everyone does not share your views...ever heard of XMA? The sheer fact that it exists and flourishes is evidence that not everyone shares your views... I believe that many , myself included have said several times that discussion and education is the best course of action. I also suggest refreshing yourself on forum policy... please find Paul's comments below.... So there you go .. he asks us to practice safety , but does not outright ban unsafe things...and I'm not sure I ever agreed sword juggking was unsafe... I said I do not endorse it ... how do you know he was not using a blunt? You are assuming... There are those that subscribe to the theory that any cutting by untrained individuals is unsafe.. and there is some truth to that... there are always many ways to view anything... At any rate the policy is clear... "Any videos or discussions deemed to be unsafe are subject to deletion." In this case the deemer is me... if you object to my decision feel free to take it up with me in PM or to go over my head to Paul. Now I would appreciate it if the topic of discussion could return to the video and away from moderator's decisions... Thanks
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Post by genocideseth on Feb 5, 2009 19:17:12 GMT
I agree with James Gall. He did some amazing, but dangerous, but amazing things with the sword. Like when he did the reverse cut followed by the normal cut... Amazing, I have never seen that before. I like the video, I would not recommend it, but it was pretty cool. It gave me interesting, but less extreme ideas for Kata.
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 5, 2009 19:25:52 GMT
I think Adam was doing some great cutting. Looked like he'd had some training to me but then I don't know much about such things. My woman said I ought to get some of that armor he was wearing to protect me from me. LOL
I would have like it if he'd have identified the swords themselves.
Thanks for the link, Debbie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 19:42:10 GMT
Hey Ric the chain or gamebson? Actually I do like that he had some cutting in armor and he was wearing chain with steel legs at the very least while doing the juggling part. I really like the gambeson he was wearing though. It didn't seem to restrict his motion very much...wonder which one it is. It is surprising hard to find a good one without having one made for you.
Marc, I stand corrected on the policy then.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Feb 5, 2009 19:57:22 GMT
Hey Ric the chain or gamebson? Actually I do like that he had some cutting in armor and he was wearing chain with steel legs at the very least while doing the juggling part. I really like the gambeson he was wearing though. It didn't seem to restrict his motion very much...wonder which one it is. It is surprising hard to find a good one without having one made for you. Marc, I stand corrected on the policy then. No problem , I appreciate you pointing out unsafe aspects and bringing them to light... discussion enriches us all.. WTH +1 to ya...
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 5, 2009 20:46:08 GMT
how do you know he was not using a blunt? You are assuming... If you had not mentioned this, I was going to. In the part of the vid where he juggles the swords he does not cut with them... and this suggests to me that he was juggling blunts. After all, he does some very flashy stff in the vid... so if he was actually juggling sharps, why would he not incorprate some cutting in that? Throw the sword in the air, twirl it around a little bit... then chop a watermellon. VERY impresive to watch... very flashy... but he didn't do that. I'd bet money he was juggling blunt swords. Hell, almost every RenFaire I have been to has had someone doing something similar... but even more dangerous because almost none of them are waring chainmail protection as this guy was. Meh. It seems obvious to me that he has practiced a LOT. Some of his moves may not be tradditional WMA... and many of them are very flashy... but there can be little doubt he has put in a LOT of house of practice with the weapons he uses... and he has someone nearby should something go wrong. As long as no one is trying to say everyone should try this themselves, regardless of their level of experince... I don't see a problem with the video. Like Marc said... it's worth pointing out that you do NOT try this level of bladework without a LOT of experince and practice and some precuations. Beyond that... I don't see a problem with it.
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 5, 2009 21:02:54 GMT
Cold, she specifically said chainmail, tho I was a bit surprised she knew what that was. LOL I told her I didn't think I'd be getting any soon as that would detract from my sword money. I would like to mention I agree it's well we talk about safety. As someone said in another thread, when we pick up a weapon it's good to remember it is a killing thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 21:03:38 GMT
I like the bit when he breaks out the battle axe on the watermelon! Very Gallagher esque !! <And i mean that as a compliment!
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Post by k on Feb 5, 2009 21:10:17 GMT
Perhaps you have said all these things already, I write slooow , but anyway since I can relate to this: is´nt this the way similar things are supposed to work? If you have a video or an ad or anything that can be seen in any way doubtful or goes against a sites or a forums policy in some way, sometimes the best to do is to show it, instead of censor it. Because then you have an opportunity to mention it and come with info about it; this could be harmful and that could be dangerous... and so on whatever it´s about for the moment. Then it has filled a purpose. If it had´nt been shown, been censored in some way, the opportunity to talk about or come with information about it, had´nt been there. That is one reason why censoring things can contradict it´s own purpose sometimes. So.. it´s a good thing that the video is there and it´s also a good thing that cold napalm comments it the way he does. It could send wrong message if it was´nt discussed, but no opportunity to a message at all if it was´nt showed.
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 5, 2009 21:15:22 GMT
Cold, she specifically said chainmail, tho I was a bit surprised she knew what that was. LOL I told her I didn't think I'd be getting any soon as that would detract from my sword money. I would like to mention I agree it's well we talk about safety. As someone said in another thread, when we pick up a weapon it's good to remember it is a killing thing. I agree 100%. ALWAYS respect your weapon... and remember what it was built for, and what it can do. I love that we talk about safety at all times. I just belive we can find the balance between being safe and outright censorship. I think if we allow these vids... and then have healthy intelegent discussion about them... we are much better off then if we just censor them. As for Chainmail... I have been wanting a good suit of rivited chainmail for ages now... but have not, as of yet, been able to set aside the money for it. Good chain aint cheep... and I don't want crap chain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 3:26:39 GMT
Okay seen as though I'm the progenitor of this I'll start with an apology: I'm sorry that people have felt this video promotes unsafe practices (note sword juggling), Adam Brown notes on his site on the same page the video preview is posted: Ronin Swords Australia asks that care,respect and attention is used when using any weapon.Please seek suitable training from professionals before attempting the use of live swords or any other weapon. Weapons can and will break from misuse.This can be extremely dangerous and extreme care must be used at all times when cutting targets.Please ask for advice if unsure of what weapon\sword type you need. He also states he's a trained swordsman of 17 years and it obviously shows. Adam is SCA as far as I know and I think the longsword in chainmail juggle was a blunt I'll get back to you on that one (but wearing a full hauberk and coif was a good move also). So very sorry for getting alot of people worried. If people want me to delete it (can I do that) I will ......... Cold Napalm, the padded Gambeson he was wearing is a good old run of the mill CAS Hanwei Gambeson (probably in a decent size Adams also a skinny bugger) ...... which I think many people poo poo but hey it might actually be good for budget money ......... although later chopping with the Hanwei Double Headed Axe he's got his shirt off so maybe it got a little hot (Adam is an 80mins drive from me it gets steamy and gross in Queensland) ......... Also I think he was showing some SCA cuts on the melons etc (can I get an SCA members confirmation on that ) ..........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 5:03:22 GMT
Ah buggers...that's what I was afraid of. The older hanwei gambesons were actually quite decent...but the newer ones are just WAY too stiff . That's why people don't like em anymore. Course the new ones don't wear out as fast as the older ones use to...but breaking one of the new ones in is a pain. Which is why people don't like em anymore. Although any gambeson is gonna get hot. As for those being SCA shots...not really as far as I know...but it maybe a style that is used in the aussie area. We rarely get to fight guys from down there up here after all...and I remember you guys down there like your fuffy dramatic shots that gets you stabbed in the face . Well...at least the one fighter I met did anyways hehe. As for deleting it...meh, we got a nice discussion out of it. I think it's worthwhile reading...and dispite my objections, it still is a really fun video...I too particularly like the axe part...and the lance throwing part. Maybe edit your OP with a little blurb about safety issues and I'll be happy as a clam . Hey Ric...yeah don't go cheap on chainmail. Get flattened riveted mail if you can...or flattened welded if you can not. But most importantly get flattened rings. They work much better as armor then the rounded rings you normally see. Course it'll cost you more then your albion by a fair amount . Personally, I like this armour myself... www.bytheswordinc.com/acatalog/15th_Century_Leather_Brigandine_BTS-3030.htmlGo thread drift...hehe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 5:48:24 GMT
I'm wondering if a good soak in fabric softener would get the newer gambeson to get a feel in ......... I know its got poly filling in it ........... I wonder if that can get systematically yanked out and filled with cotton scrap and sewn back up ? ......... and SCA boys got a good opinion on that
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 6, 2009 5:57:25 GMT
Get flattened riveted mail if you can...or flattened welded if you can not. But most importantly get flattened rings. They work much better as armor then the rounded rings you normally see. Course it'll cost you more then your albion by a fair amount . Thats exactly what I'm looking for... flattened riveted chain mail. I'd like to get this: sussen.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product138.html but... no money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 6:18:43 GMT
I'm wondering if a good soak in fabric softener would get the newer gambeson to get a feel in ......... I know its got poly filling in it ........... I wonder if that can get systematically yanked out and filled with cotton scrap and sewn back up ? ......... and SCA boys got a good opinion on that You could...but at that point, you might as well make yourself one custom fit to you with the material you like since it'll be about the same amount of effort and cost . Actually might be less effort to just make yourself one then to undo all that sewing and redoing it hehe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 6:25:02 GMT
Get flattened riveted mail if you can...or flattened welded if you can not. But most importantly get flattened rings. They work much better as armor then the rounded rings you normally see. Course it'll cost you more then your albion by a fair amount . Thats exactly what I'm looking for... flattened riveted chain mail. I'd like to get this: sussen.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product138.html but... no money. You know that site has some pretty nice prices on chainmail actually. 400 for a flat ring riveted chain shirt...man that is one tempting price. Too bad I don't like chainmail very much. I prefer coat of plates personally,
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Post by genocideseth on Feb 6, 2009 6:28:29 GMT
It is tempting! Too bad I am not American... But that may change soon as well...
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 6, 2009 7:14:01 GMT
It is tempting! Too bad I am not American... But that may change soon as well... Who says we'd have ya Canuk?
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