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Post by howler on Jan 17, 2024 17:14:03 GMT
They call me... The Handyman! Fear the bite of my vise grips! Nothing worse than a socket wrench embedded in a (eye) socket.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 17, 2024 17:34:11 GMT
It is psychological, as humans are often more afraid of being shot than stabbed, something about permanent disfiguring cuts, like to the face. Also, many might thing the bad guy "just won't pull the trigger", but might slice in a non lethal area. Or maybe it's just that knives have been around so long it's in our DNA. I recently watched a documentary about bajonets, the test persons reacted with much more terror to a man approaching with a rifle with a bajonet than with only a rifle.
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Post by mrstabby on Jan 17, 2024 18:25:13 GMT
It is psychological, as humans are often more afraid of being shot than stabbed, something about permanent disfiguring cuts, like to the face. Also, many might thing the bad guy "just won't pull the trigger", but might slice in a non lethal area. Or maybe it's just that knives have been around so long it's in our DNA. I recently watched a documentary about bajonets, the test persons reacted with much more terror to a man approaching with a rifle with a bajonet than with only a rifle. Interesting. Maybe getting shanked seems worse to the instinctual parts of the brain? Might depend on the rifle, with a muzzle loader I get it.
Reminds me of something I read where russian soldiers ran out of ammo in a siege, fitted all their empty Mosin-Nagant rifles with bayonets and used them as throwing spears. Could have been totally made up, but I totally see that working with enough rifles.
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Post by howler on Jan 17, 2024 18:31:18 GMT
That's not how it works here, germany specifically you need to be a shooting club member for a while to be able to buy a gun. It's a big hassle if you aren't really into it! Also the reason why so little bad guys have firearms, you would need to smuggle illegal guns a long way. Not that it does not happen, but it's a big hurdle for the normal criminal.
I guess that's also the reason repeating crossbows get the "home defense" advertisement from some sellers.
EDIT: howler : Yeah, intimidation is also a factor quite often. I don't know why, but a hammer just does not look as intimidating as a clip point bowie, maybe because the hammer is an everyday object? Same can be said for kitchen knives I guess, kitchen knives have ended many lifes though... It is psychological, as humans are often more afraid of being stabbed than shot, something about permanent disfiguring cuts, like to the face. Also, many might thing the bad guy "just won't pull the trigger", but might slice in a non lethal area. Or maybe it's just that knives have been around so long it's in our DNA. Edited: Meant to say "more afraid of being stabbed than shot"...so fixed.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 17, 2024 18:32:45 GMT
It was a virtual WWI trench situation.
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Post by howler on Jan 17, 2024 18:33:49 GMT
It is psychological, as humans are often more afraid of being shot than stabbed, something about permanent disfiguring cuts, like to the face. Also, many might thing the bad guy "just won't pull the trigger", but might slice in a non lethal area. Or maybe it's just that knives have been around so long it's in our DNA. I recently watched a documentary about bajonets, the test persons reacted with much more terror to a man approaching with a rifle with a bajonet than with only a rifle. Yup, something very primal about cutting, slashing, stabbing, as people just don't like the idea of dismemberment/disfigurement. Big, nasty, bloody mess that is up close and personal, not as detached as firearms.
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Post by mrstabby on Jan 17, 2024 18:36:39 GMT
Might also just be the prospect of close quarter combat. Takes a lot more guts to go in close with a knife knowing you'll get cut too than shoot someone at a distance.
There was a text I read about gladiators where they slaughtered prisoners to get aquainted with the hell of it all. EDIT: Can't remember if it was some special training or just one school doing that. It was like 20 years ago I read the text.
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Post by mrstabby on Jan 17, 2024 18:45:55 GMT
I recently watched a documentary about bajonets, the test persons reacted with much more terror to a man approaching with a rifle with a bajonet than with only a rifle. Yup, something very primal about cutting, slashing, stabbing, as people just don't like the idea of dismemberment/disfigurement. Big, nasty, bloody mess that is up close and personal, not as detached as firearms. Stupid slow typing, saying the same thing...
There is something just too different about firearms, you can't see what hurt you. You can see an arrow coming, not bullets. And as you said they haven't been around as long as cutting weapons. One could even liken blades to the claws and teeth our primate ancestors had to contend with, but bullets are so different to anything normally found in nature. So it might not instinctually register as danger but only because we know it is a gun. Primal fear is stronger than something learned.
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Post by howler on Jan 17, 2024 21:04:07 GMT
Yup, something very primal about cutting, slashing, stabbing, as people just don't like the idea of dismemberment/disfigurement. Big, nasty, bloody mess that is up close and personal, not as detached as firearms. Stupid slow typing, saying the same thing...
There is something just too different about firearms, you can't see what hurt you. You can see an arrow coming, not bullets. And as you said they haven't been around as long as cutting weapons. One could even liken blades to the claws and teeth our primate ancestors had to contend with, but bullets are so different to anything normally found in nature. So it might not instinctually register as danger but only because we know it is a gun. Primal fear is stronger than something learned.
And if we take this concept a step further, we now have people in rooms directing drones, missiles, long distance smart artillery, etc...almost like a video game, cold, distant, detached.
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Post by izzy on Jan 17, 2024 21:59:43 GMT
It is psychological, as humans are often more afraid of being shot than stabbed, something about permanent disfiguring cuts, like to the face. Also, many might thing the bad guy "just won't pull the trigger", but might slice in a non lethal area. Or maybe it's just that knives have been around so long it's in our DNA. I recently watched a documentary about bajonets, the test persons reacted with much more terror to a man approaching with a rifle with a bajonet than with only a rifle. Because they could be stabbed and then shot?
I was subject to a false arrest in Norfolk, VA as a University student.
I wrapped a cheapo 20 dollar Bud-K sword I got from my brother in a towel at home, to give as a present to a friend who owned a business in the area....unknown to me another business owner called the cops because he thought that towel had a firearm and it was a "robbery". After giving the sword, having a nice conversation with my friend, I left and drove under the speed limit....
Saw some blue lights...OK no problem, not speeding, rolled down my window before stopping to talk with them (big mistake), they whipped out their pistols and cocked them with their guns outside the window before stopping.
The 2 cops rushed to my car after we both stopped very shortly after...stuck those guns with the hammer back in my face screaming "where's the gun"...I promise you I was shaking...I was not even thinking of SD or "resisting" the police...my mind was in a whole and fully "compliant state"...my hands were in the air as I told them about my permitted and legal pistol.. "NO, The OTHER GUN"...but there was no other gun...
The next 6 hours was spent with them searching my car ( which had a lot of "odds and ends"), trying to justify the arrest, putting me in holding cell, interrogating me, taking a ballistic sample from my pistol. trying every trick in the book to entrap or find some sort of crime, even though my friend already told them what happened. The interrogation only stopped once I asked for a lawyer...learned the hard way don't run your mouth...answer only the legally required amount, be polite but firm, and not to "cooperate" by consenting to an otherwise illegal search of the car. ( depends on which country of course)
In the end they gave me a ticket for a cracked windscreen.
These days if I see blue lights, I keep my windows UP until ordered to roll them down in the USA, and Hands on the Steering wheel.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 19, 2024 18:02:32 GMT
It is psychological, as humans are often more afraid of being shot than stabbed, something about permanent disfiguring cuts, like to the face. Also, many might thing the bad guy "just won't pull the trigger", but might slice in a non lethal area. Or maybe it's just that knives have been around so long it's in our DNA. I recently watched a documentary about bajonets, the test persons reacted with much more terror to a man approaching with a rifle with a bajonet than with only a rifle.
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Post by shinycanoe on Jan 19, 2024 21:54:30 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 20, 2024 0:41:03 GMT
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Post by izzy on Jan 21, 2024 9:15:59 GMT
I recently watched a documentary about bajonets, the test persons reacted with much more terror to a man approaching with a rifle with a bajonet than with only a rifle. A bayonet is like a short spear...when on the end of a rifle / carbine.
Detailed training from WWII:
Short Attention span Cell phone Generation simplified Training today:
I can't remember where I learned it, but I was always taught to shoot after the stab, helps to pull out and dispatch the enemy quicker, not sure why it is not in the 1943 manual, except maybe to save ammunition and avoid splatter? Thoughts on this?
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Post by mrstabby on Jan 23, 2024 11:42:20 GMT
High pucker-factor....
It shows the limitations of swords in cramped spaces. Also the only self defense by sword I've seen so far.
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Post by madirish on Jan 23, 2024 17:56:10 GMT
Amazing that wedding sword didn't come flying apart, lol.
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Post by treeslicer on Jan 23, 2024 18:12:15 GMT
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Post by mrstabby on Jan 23, 2024 18:19:41 GMT
Right! Forgot about this one. Looks like they almost got shot, luckily the robber seemed to lack conviction.
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Post by hawthorn on Apr 8, 2024 13:37:08 GMT
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Post by treeslicer on Apr 8, 2024 21:47:14 GMT
Yup. I came to that conclusion, and acted on it, a long time ago.
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