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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 23, 2023 6:34:03 GMT
I went on thinking about the OP. I think I'd try to get made a custom katana blade with ca. 800 g, Shinogi Zukuri. 5160 steel quenched on the hard side with a differential tempering on the spine, it doesn't have to be bainite, just springy. With a longer tang for removable slap handles made of some durable plastic, looking like rayskin. And this with a nice, not overshiny tsuba and an "exquisite" Ito wrap.
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Post by Robert in California on Nov 23, 2023 12:59:37 GMT
For someone living in a small house or apartment, a wakizashi makes more sense than a katana.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 23, 2023 21:55:50 GMT
It will be many weeks before any order might be restored...and until then, there will be two kinds of people; predators and prey. And drone jockeys. Don’t forget how a handful of cheap drones piloted by people used to video games can bring an army to its knees.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 23, 2023 23:49:12 GMT
It will be many weeks before any order might be restored...and until then, there will be two kinds of people; predators and prey. And drone jockeys. Don’t forget how a handful of cheap drones piloted by people used to video games can bring an army to its knees. Are you really going to confuse the highly advanced and very expensive purpose designed military drones with the cheap toy drones in civilian hands? And how will civilians in a disaster setting militarize / arm their little toy drones? The drones being used in combat, and I seriously question that drones have brought an army to its knees, are hardly cheap: www.thesoldiersproject.org/how-much-does-a-military-drone-cost/
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 24, 2023 0:07:18 GMT
And drone jockeys. Don’t forget how a handful of cheap drones piloted by people used to video games can bring an army to its knees. Are you really going to confuse the highly advanced and very expensive purpose designed military drones with the cheap toy drones in civilian hands? And how will civilians in a disaster setting militarize / arm their little toy drones? The drones being used in combat, and I seriously question that drones have brought an army to its knees, are hardly cheap: www.thesoldiersproject.org/how-much-does-a-military-drone-cost/ Nah they’re using cheap package delivery drones too in Ukraine if you haven’t noticed. Swap out a 1kg parcel for 1kg explosive and the damage is considerable. And Garand thumb covered it pretty good in his vid. I don’t see why not to take a vet who does this kinda stuff for a living seriously. The memes were right. Cheap drone swarms are a nightmare. Even an unmoded drone would be pretty useful for scouting.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 24, 2023 0:35:42 GMT
Are you really going to confuse the highly advanced and very expensive purpose designed military drones with the cheap toy drones in civilian hands? And how will civilians in a disaster setting militarize / arm their little toy drones? The drones being used in combat, and I seriously question that drones have brought an army to its knees, are hardly cheap: www.thesoldiersproject.org/how-much-does-a-military-drone-cost/ Nah they’re using cheap package delivery drones too in Ukraine if you haven’t noticed. Swap out a 1kg parcel for 1kg explosive and the damage is considerable. And Garand thumb covered it pretty good in his vid. I don’t see why not to take a vet who does this kinda stuff for a living seriously. A 1kg explosive...yeah...all over the civilian market. Everyone will have those 1kg explosives to use in their drones after a major earthquake in So Calif.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 24, 2023 1:03:51 GMT
I mean you can literally buy primers and fast burning smokeless powders without trouble which is how reloading bullets is a thing. It just doesn’t get done since it’s not legal to build unregistered explosives and the nitrocelulose is far more desirable in a civilized setting as a way to reload rare bullet cartridges. (I’m a lunatic who’s using spent nagant revolver rounds to make 32-20)
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Post by blairbob on Nov 24, 2023 1:38:08 GMT
Catalina is pretty cool and I think it has pigs.
Which means, carnitas and bacon and porkchops besides, ofc Seafood.
Just make sure to pack booze. maybe mint and lime/lemons.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 24, 2023 2:25:08 GMT
Catalina is pretty cool and I think it has pigs. Which means, carnitas and bacon and porkchops besides, ofc Seafood.
Just make sure to pack booze. maybe mint and lime/lemons.You sir, are clearly a man of refinement who knows how to live well and you would be more than welcome to my protection and a seat at my table.
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Post by blairbob on Nov 24, 2023 21:32:28 GMT
apparently they eradicated the feral pigs on Catalina before 2000 besides the sheep. 100 Bison left, some deer and antelope. They're trying to dwindle down the 2,000 deer left on the island.
Moral of the story is...bring some pigs. maybe some chickens too.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 24, 2023 21:38:58 GMT
Cicero (almost): Quousque tandem abutere, Catalina, patientia nostra?
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Post by iflybus on Nov 25, 2023 18:12:01 GMT
How dare the apokalypse not match your SHTF kit! Hands down the best remark on this thread about SHTF gear. You clearly get it. As to the swords, thank you all so much for fantastic information. As the Marines like to say "learning has occurred." I'm sticking with a Katana for my back up melee. It's familiar, light, sharp and fast. Which sword I'll buy or if I go custom will take some consideration of all your efforts to educate me in that regard. As for what's the best SHTF melee? I didn't ask that question. I asked what's the best Katana. One must understand the first rule of combat: "the best laid plans never survive first contact with the enemy." It's impossible to state what is or what is not the best melee backup weapon for a true SHTF scenario. Anyone making that statement is "unstudied" in the topic of warfare or survival within a theater of unpredictable civil/social unrest and state failure. Familiarity and training with a specific type of weapon can, will and has made a difference in the outcomes of incidents of an aggressive nature. The likelihood I'll find myself in an actual situation where I'll need to deploy a sword for any reason against another human being is so low that quite frankly there's a higher probability I'll be struck by lightning considering I'm a golfer. Thus why on Earth would I go with another weapon I've never even picked up or bother training on another bladed platform for an unpredictable scenario? You can name ten different potential "use scenarios" and justify why this type of melee would be better for that one in each. However, that's all academic once you apply the first rule of combat then add in individual skill with a given weapon. All predictive analytics go out the window when it comes to the realities of combat or Mad Max world survival.
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Post by Arlequin on Nov 27, 2023 1:52:13 GMT
Sorry the thread derailed by the preppers lol I still recommend contacting James Raw or Radovan, Raw will be a little cheaper but Radovans better if you want a complete mounted sword. Rado also recently just made a monosteel sword in Shobu Zukuri m.facebook.com/profile.php/?id=100061302283325
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Post by treeslicer on Nov 27, 2023 5:20:24 GMT
How dare the apokalypse not match your SHTF kit! Hands down the best remark on this thread about SHTF gear. You clearly get it. As to the swords, thank you all so much for fantastic information. As the Marines like to say "learning has occurred." I'm sticking with a Katana for my back up melee. It's familiar, light, sharp and fast. Which sword I'll buy or if I go custom will take some consideration of all your efforts to educate me in that regard. As for what's the best SHTF melee? I didn't ask that question. I asked what's the best Katana. One must understand the first rule of combat: "the best laid plans never survive first contact with the enemy." It's impossible to state what is or what is not the best melee backup weapon for a true SHTF scenario. Anyone making that statement is "unstudied" in the topic of warfare or survival within a theater of unpredictable civil/social unrest and state failure. Familiarity and training with a specific type of weapon can, will and has made a difference in the outcomes of incidents of an aggressive nature. The likelihood I'll find myself in an actual situation where I'll need to deploy a sword for any reason against another human being is so low that quite frankly there's a higher probability I'll be struck by lightning considering I'm a golfer. Thus why on Earth would I go with another weapon I've never even picked up or bother training on another bladed platform for an unpredictable scenario? You can name ten different potential "use scenarios" and justify why this type of melee would be better for that one in each. However, that's all academic once you apply the first rule of combat then add in individual skill with a given weapon. All predictive analytics go out the window when it comes to the realities of combat or Mad Max world survival. Having watched this thread accumulate for several days, I've decided to share my own views on katana for tactical use. You don't need to invest in a custom blade. I recommend 2 sources for something to use for a SHTF cutter.
IMHO, standard Longquan production DH water quenched folded steel katana (which are actually produced by a combination of a rolling mill and drop forging) are as good as hadamono nihonto (which they closely resemble) for standing low temperatures and various other kinds of abuse. They cut well, usually look very good with lots of activities, and are cheap. If you don't like the fittings, you can customize them yourself, like I do.
IMHO, it's as good as what most Japanese officers carried and used during WW II, and is cheap as dirt.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 29, 2023 14:43:11 GMT
I really like the idea of a Gunto. Nice recommendations.
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Post by crazyjons on Nov 29, 2023 15:13:11 GMT
Remember the Op doesn't want anything made in China.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 29, 2023 17:16:58 GMT
Remember the Op doesn't want anything made in China. Then a showato Gunto or a gendai like the one I’m selling lmao
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Post by crazyjons on Nov 29, 2023 17:25:34 GMT
I think that's a good idea! However the most durable blades are going to be through hardened
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Post by treeslicer on Nov 30, 2023 14:56:31 GMT
I think that's a good idea! However the most durable blades are going to be through hardened Not true at all. We've been over this misconception many times.
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Post by crazyjons on Nov 30, 2023 15:11:48 GMT
I think that's a good idea! However the most durable blades are going to be through hardened Not true at all. We've been over this misconception many times. I guess I should have said "in my limited experience" If this is been discussed before, could you point me in the direction of those discussions. Jon
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