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Post by crazyjons on Nov 21, 2023 19:17:52 GMT
Oh no you have an assault rifle with a 10 round detachable magazine! LOL
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 21, 2023 19:25:43 GMT
Assault enfield with a 12 rd mag lol I’m going to buy an assault Winchester 73 too
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Post by mrstabby on Nov 21, 2023 19:31:16 GMT
Weren't there insanely long bayonets for the enfield? like 20" blades?
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 21, 2023 19:44:30 GMT
Yeah but the previous owner sporterized a 308 variant and stripped out the bayonet mount. I didn’t mind so much since it’s a post war, and the modifications made it both very light and near worthless so I got a cheap, dependable rifle
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 21, 2023 19:51:35 GMT
L6 alone is just like any other mid/high carbon steel, it's all in the heat treat (I think you can apply this to S5/7 and 9260 as well, since they also seem to need a rather complicated heat treat not everyone can do). As far as I have read, this is quite the process to get right, so no wonder you'll pay through the nose for it. I doubt any of the chinese swords sold for 1000$ will have bainite and just use L6 to hike up the price. BTW, has anyone destruction tested a bainite sword yet? I have seen 9260 and it takes quite the punishment already, so I am interested. blairbob : I think the percentage of people owning swords is relatively low anyways. It's more like 1 out of 100 people has 50 swords than every other person owning one, so you are probably fine with any longer blade. Howard Clark on destructive testing of an L6 bainite katana...
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 21, 2023 20:18:20 GMT
It gouged severely the moment it hit a hard object. And you could buy a whole lot of equipment for the price. Why not T10? Kurin and others are quite good and cheap and they don’t have the finicky nature of L9.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 21, 2023 20:27:14 GMT
It gouged severely the moment it hit a hard object. And you could buy a whole lot of equipment for the price. Why not T10? Kurin and others are quite good and cheap and they don’t have the finicky nature of L9. I think the point is that it did not break...lol Try that with any chinese made katana. In the old SHTF situation, you would resharpen as Howard did and move on...but when would you use a sword against a target like that?
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Post by toddstratton1 on Nov 21, 2023 20:45:05 GMT
L6 alone is just like any other mid/high carbon steel, it's all in the heat treat (I think you can apply this to S5/7 and 9260 as well, since they also seem to need a rather complicated heat treat not everyone can do). As far as I have read, this is quite the process to get right, so no wonder you'll pay through the nose for it. I doubt any of the chinese swords sold for 1000$ will have bainite and just use L6 to hike up the price. BTW, has anyone destruction tested a bainite sword yet? I have seen 9260 and it takes quite the punishment already, so I am interested. blairbob : I think the percentage of people owning swords is relatively low anyways. It's more like 1 out of 100 people has 50 swords than every other person owning one, so you are probably fine with any longer blade. Howard Clark on destructive testing of an L6 bainite katana... Howard Clark is like the only person who can make a proper Bainite L6 sword, hanweis line up of them are far less durable and very chip prone. Takes a lot of skill on the smith to heat treat and temper that part properly.
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Post by mrstabby on Nov 21, 2023 20:55:35 GMT
The hanweis seem pretty hard at 59-60HRC at the edge, I have read thats the upper limit of hardness for bainite, so I am not surprised they chip, Howard tempers his a bit softer at 57-58HRC. Still probably not the best steel for survival situation, since l6 seems to be even more succeptible to rust than other carbon steels.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 21, 2023 21:04:21 GMT
The hanweis seem pretty hard at 59-60HRC at the edge, I have read thats the upper limit of hardness for bainite, so I am not surprised they chip, Howard tempers his a bit softer at 57-58HRC. Still probably not the best steel for survival situation, since l6 seems to be even more succeptible to rust than other carbon steels. Just keep it covered in blood! TBH, the whole subject is just silly....
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Post by mrstabby on Nov 21, 2023 21:08:56 GMT
True, especially if you live in a big city, those are for sure going first, and a sword won't help then. Some take it seriously though, and who am I to kink-shame?
For me it's Kilroys, I leave them anywhere I can, inside the buttstock of my rifles for example, just getting a kick out of it, don't know why. The'll be found decades after I am gone and wonder how it got there. No reason, just for fun.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 21, 2023 21:17:06 GMT
It gouged severely the moment it hit a hard object. And you could buy a whole lot of equipment for the price. Why not T10? Kurin and others are quite good and cheap and they don’t have the finicky nature of L9. I think the point is that it did not break...lol Try that with any chinese made katana. In the old SHTF situation, you would resharpen as Howard did and move on...but when would you use a sword against a target like that? Being technically intact doesn’t do much good when it’s reduced to ineffective after a couple gouges. The gouges make up a third of the blade btw so the cutting geometry is obliterated, I can’t see resharpening doing much. Also I think there’s a vid where shadiversity jiggled around trying to break a musashi and gave up. A 500$ Kurin or Hwawei wouldn’t be greatly inferior and is like a 10th the price. Which is what to I think of when people say SHTF I’d rather beat up a sporterized bolt than something 10x the price that I can’t afford to fix. Also T10 is much less error prone so cheaper t10 is less likely to glitch.
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Post by mrstabby on Nov 21, 2023 21:33:57 GMT
I think the point is that it did not break...lol Try that with any chinese made katana. In the old SHTF situation, you would resharpen as Howard did and move on...but when would you use a sword against a target like that? Being technically intact doesn’t do much good when it’s reduced to ineffective after a couple gouges. The gouges make up a third of the blade btw so the cutting geometry is obliterated, I can’t see resharpening doing much. Also I think there’s a vid where shadiversity jiggled around trying to break a musashi and gave up. A 500$ Kurin or Hwawei wouldn’t be greatly inferior and is like a 10th the price. Which is what to I think of when people say SHTF I’d rather beat up a sporterized bolt than something 10x the price that I can’t afford to fix. Also T10 is much less error prone so cheaper t10 is less likely to glitch. I agree, the complex nature of some steels heat treatment makes them hit or miss, even smiths who know what they are doing will ruin one once in a while. The LK Chen monosteel can also take a beating (should be equal to 5160, not really complicated heat treat afiak), there are a few videos out there of things I would not have imagined the blade surviving. A chipped blade can still do a lot of damage to someone, so I would not say a blade gets made useless by chips, but in a survival situation you are quite unlikely to be able to repair them on the fly.
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Post by LastGodslayer on Nov 21, 2023 21:35:44 GMT
I think a simple point is being overlooked here with the HC L6 blade: Even a tool like a machete will take damage when subjected to abuse. The maintenance procedure for a damaged machete is much simpler however. Nonetheless, the machete is a far poorer anit-human weapon than a katana.
Since iflybus made it clear she prefers a katana, the question just goes either back to whats the best non china made katana in her budget or which is the best SHTF katana period. I suggested Keffeler's stuff because it seems very durable for a far more delicate geometry. Not saying its beter than HC's L6 blades, but its good modern steel with top heat treatment.
For reference, a tacticool/cyber titanium katana (*rolls eyes*) and the original Super Assassin sword, both by Dan Keffeler. I really do believe that with a more traditional geometry, a blade like this would be nearly indestructible, and if you want a hamon-like efect, the sanmai construction can somewhat mimic it.
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Post by mrstabby on Nov 21, 2023 21:42:08 GMT
Titanium has a few caveats though, edge retention isn't great, sharpening is hard and it's light, making cuts less effective or the blade very thick. On the other hand it has excellent corrosion resistance and is pretty tough.
Not hating, just something to keep in mind.
Edit: A machete is an excellent weapon against unarmored opponents, don't underestimate them. They are quick and cut deep, the primary point for the katana are reach and thrusts, but a machete will cut equally well.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 21, 2023 22:37:22 GMT
This thread reminds me of trench raider load outs Attachments:
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Post by mrstabby on Nov 21, 2023 22:47:42 GMT
The WW1 trench is probably the most SHTF it can get without nukes or ultra-zombie-covid. Those guys had it rough....
They used short swords and clubs bacause of the cramped trenches, bigger isn't always better.
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Post by blairbob on Nov 22, 2023 1:42:36 GMT
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 22, 2023 1:48:15 GMT
The WW1 trench is probably the most SHTF it can get without nukes or ultra-zombie-covid. Those guys had it rough.... They used short swords and clubs bacause of the cramped trenches, bigger isn't always better. Fun fact: Showa Gunto were designed for trenches. The IJA did studies on what worked best in a trench and they settled on 60cm, useable one hand and with a reinforced kissaki. Basically a katate-uchi
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Post by blairbob on Nov 22, 2023 1:53:45 GMT
if the SHTF in less than 2yrs, you would never see your Howard Clark commission to completion. You might be able to find one in the wild and remount it differently if you wanted and that might take 6+ months to get squared away.
you could also just place a bevel on it for a tougher edge, which cloudhammer has done. it's non traditional but who cares for SHTF.
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