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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 22, 2023 2:19:00 GMT
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Post by mrstabby on Nov 22, 2023 7:09:05 GMT
My SHTF kit...No room for swords...guns/ammo/food/water/fuel/medic supplies/troops. There he goes, bringing an IFV to a sword fight. UNFAIR!
blairbob has a good point, you'll be waiting at least that long for a newly made sword. Maybe just get something cheap in the interim while you wait.
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Post by toddstratton1 on Nov 22, 2023 9:52:50 GMT
By the way in the 2k ish price range best katana you can get is a motohara katana imo. And you can make it more durable by getting a thicker edge geometry with the order, like hard target cutter. Though I think multi target cutter is best of both worlds, the SGT steel is also extremely durable.
However no katana is great for SHTF as they require lots of maintenance and care. But if you wanted the highest quality katana you can get and able to customize to all your desired options in the 3k ish price range, then motohara is the way to go. Only a 4 month ish wait time right now too. They start at 2k ish but can get more expensive based on the types of fittings you want and etc.
You should practice some form of JSA for a period of time before swinging around a real katana though. As there is very important mechanics and technique you should do to avoid cutting yourself open or maiming yourself with a sharp sword. For example if you cut kesa or gyaku kesa and had the wrong leg forward in the stance , you could end up fileting your own leg. And easy to slice your hand or thumb when drawing or putting the sword away if you don't have your hand in the proper place or stick your thumb out where the edge of the blade comes out of the saya.
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Post by jester on Nov 22, 2023 9:57:15 GMT
Have you heard of Siamese Edge? The dha is a Southern Asian sword, and it costs a fraction of your budget but still high quality. Different geometries, custom options, excellent cutter. Much lower maintenance compared to a katana.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 22, 2023 14:46:54 GMT
My SHTF kit...No room for swords...guns/ammo/food/water/fuel/medic supplies/troops. There he goes, bringing an IFV to a sword fight. UNFAIR!
blairbob has a good point, you'll be waiting at least that long for a newly made sword. Maybe just get something cheap in the interim while you wait.
Gotta bring what ya got right? Back to the sword thingy, while I have 12 years of JSA training under my belt (Toyama Ryu and Mugai Ryu) and am ranked in both I would probably not choose one of my katana's as my sole edged weapon. I think that if I had to use one of swords in my collection as a weapon in a CQB free for all...I would want a double edged weapon and I would choose a reproduction roman pompeii style semi spatha I commissioned a few years ago from Mark Morrow in 5160 steel with a correct reinforced point. Sharp as hell for slashing but we all know the thrust to the brain stem is how you kill a zombie!
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Post by mrstabby on Nov 22, 2023 16:40:40 GMT
I have yet to see any "battle ready" spatha besides the 1000$ Albions, are there any cheaper ones in production? I am not counting Deepeeka, I do not trust them at all.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 22, 2023 17:24:12 GMT
And of course in the zombie apocalypse, the man in full chain maille rules!
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Post by izzy on Nov 22, 2023 19:10:17 GMT
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 22, 2023 20:57:54 GMT
I have yet to see any "battle ready" spatha besides the 1000$ Albions, are there any cheaper ones in production? I am not counting Deepeeka, I do not trust them at all. I think any solid Gladius, the longer the better, made of good tool steel and properly sharpened would serve you well. A spatha/semi spatha can just be a long gladius suitable for use from horseback.
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Post by LastGodslayer on Nov 22, 2023 21:08:14 GMT
I didn't mention my preference, but I'd probably use a katana like the OP. Its what I am more proficient with and to be honest, its a last resort thing and I'd rather be naturally, intuitively comfortable with my tool than whatever "meta" or maintenance concern. Surviving the immediate encounter is paramount. Everything else would be a secondary concern.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 22, 2023 21:59:52 GMT
I didn't mention my preference, but I'd probably use a katana like the OP. Its what I am more proficient with and to be honest, its a last resort thing and I'd rather be naturally, intuitively comfortable with my tool than whatever "meta" or maintenance concern. Surviving the immediate encounter is paramount. Everything else would be a secondary concern. Just know that the katana is not the optimal "in your face" CQB / melee weapon as it is single edged and usually on the long side, particularly for structure interior / restricted movement CQB. Even the Japanese recognized that for close in work, the shorter, single hand waki was better suited
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Post by crazyjons on Nov 22, 2023 23:20:22 GMT
I shot USPSA for almost 10 years and I would be scared shitless if I came around the corner and found a katana welding zombie even if I already had my pistol in hand!
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Post by crazyjons on Nov 22, 2023 23:23:52 GMT
I think the best case for a wakizashi is more about portability and convenience than it is about effectiveness. Would have to be awfully tight quarters to make it so a katana was ineffective and a wak wasn't
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Post by blairbob on Nov 22, 2023 23:41:14 GMT
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Post by blairbob on Nov 22, 2023 23:56:15 GMT
If I really wanted range to go against a party of baseball bat hooligans/zombies, I wouldn't semprini around with just a 24-30" blade (a spear/glaive is only going to last so long before the shaft breaks/gets cut)
Get something around 3-4' blade lengths, hand and a half/two hand/no dachi, and have a side sword (long knife/wak/gladius)
and that is besides something chambered in 7.62x39 or 5.56x45 (readily available ammo besides 9mm pistol rounds or 12ga).
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Post by blairbob on Nov 22, 2023 23:58:49 GMT
I'd probably look at a leaf blade. Just as stabby, good for slicing.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Nov 23, 2023 3:04:44 GMT
My SHTF kit...No room for swords...guns/ammo/food/water/fuel/medic supplies/troops. a bunch of teenagers with package delivery drones will cut that equipment to ribbons in minutes for a tenth the price
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 23, 2023 3:44:10 GMT
How dare the apokalypse not match your SHTF kit!
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 23, 2023 4:27:53 GMT
How dare the apokalypse not match your SHTF kit! To each his own apocalypse fantasy...lol I live in Southern California and if the "Big One" hits... I WILL be prepared for my reality! 18.5 million people in the LA basin with a 4 day supply of food if the freeway overpasses come down, the rail lines break and the ports are closed. Gas mains will break starting fires and the water mains run next to them will also break preventing the fires from being put out. It will be many weeks before any order might be restored...and until then, there will be two kinds of people; predators and prey. I think I am very well prepared to stay (fully fueled AFV) and deal or take one of the boats in my backyard, load it with guns, ammo, med supplies and troops and head to Catalina Island to reinstate feudalism. Sail or power depending on what's where at the time.
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Post by howler on Nov 23, 2023 5:41:19 GMT
I'd probably look at a leaf blade. Just as stabby, good for slicing. Just got a Cold Steel Kris from Midway USA ($100 bucks). Pretty nasty double edged thing with a 20.5" blade and not too heavy. Kinda ticks off a lot of boxes regarding one handed short swords.
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