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Post by waltznjack on Aug 24, 2008 20:51:12 GMT
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Post by waltznjack on Aug 24, 2008 20:52:47 GMT
Master293, haven't you fixed that computer yet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2008 21:06:31 GMT
I visited one website run by a guy who was hell on swords. I do believe that would be Bill Tsafa, who posts here. I love his tire pell tests.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 0:52:00 GMT
actually, maybe the act of being taken or not understanding what we want/need/should look for is part of the maturation and learning discrimination in our selections
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 22:07:49 GMT
this would have been so helpful to me just over a year ago... i wish i found this place sooner
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 22:22:36 GMT
You and me both, bud. I wish this place was around when I first got into buying swords a dozen years ago. I'd have a couple of quality swords instead of a bunch of junk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 0:58:35 GMT
A tang with no welds! A real sword ? What does this say about the VA At303s 304s is the thread not welded on ? So should one keep away fom this sword call it a wall hanger Or is this ok at the pommel? i know it's not a rat tail but is this acceptable?I hope so i have ordered one
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Mar 10, 2009 1:06:19 GMT
It depends on the type of weld, but to keep it short... The VAtrim 303 and 304's are DEFINITELY functional. In fact, they're arguably some of the best sub-$300 swords ever made.
I hope this helps!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 1:34:24 GMT
A tang with no welds! A real sword ? What does this say about the VA At303s 304s is the thread not welded on ? So should one keep away fom this sword call it a wall hanger Or is this ok at the pommel? i know it's not a rat tail but is this acceptable?I hope so i have ordered one What is meant by welded on tang is that the tang is welded onto the blade. This is certainly not the case in AT303s and 304s. The tangs are part of the blade, not welded on. They are threaded to the pommel as opposed to peened, but this is a design choice allowing for the sword to be taken apart if desired. If done right it is as good as a peen (and I am sure it is done right in these cases). I have heard excellent things about these swords and have ordered one myself.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Mar 10, 2009 1:36:27 GMT
I do believe the VAs may have abandoned this method of constructions in later generations of these series' (?). HOWEVER, Welds CAN be used to make perfectly sound tangs, IF using engineering principles and good skill. Chris Fields uses welds in his stage sword tangs. You can see that there is a suitable length of overlap for support, and continuous weld. These pics may not be the best example of good welding, but the principle is sound. The rod should be set deep into the tang. ALSO the whole region should be normalised after welding to eliminate the uneven stresses induced through welding. The thing with this is it has to be done right. Which is probably why VA abandoned it. They sent out a bunch of swords done this way and most are perfectly structurally sound, but there was just 1 or 2 breaks and of course word through forum spreads like cancer (breakage probably due to lack of dilligence by the welders, and this is a foreign forge so QC is hard to monitor). Chris is a custom maker, and I think he's a qualified engineer, so you'd not have to worry there. Chris' tang design:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 3:02:19 GMT
Thanks to all ,i know that the VA Atrims are a great sword and far from a wall hanger this is why i am getting one its just weld and sword dont go together for me as Brenno pointed out some of them break of course if done right like anything it would work perfect i just think its better to have no weld to be on the safe side.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Mar 10, 2009 3:31:45 GMT
I'm pretty sure the new generation has move to a tang that is not welded. even still, my VA practical has a welded on thread at the back of the tang and it has with-stood some serious use without even the hint of a problem. I hear that the VA design places all the stress on the tang proper and the welded on thread only takes the force of holding it all together in a stack. is this correct? I don't know, but I do know that mine rocks!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 14:41:47 GMT
Oh the lessons learned over the years; the first sword I ever bought was a SLO in every way, shape and form- including breaking at the weld when I swung it at a tree branch TWICE. Funny thing is, several years later I saw that same model being sold on QVC- you know the video where the dude is banging the sword on the wooden table in front of him and IT snapped at the weld too, causing the sword to bounce up and stab him- not deep, but enough to stop the show.
Good times.
These days you have to be careful of any sword advertised as 'fully functional' or 'battle ready' - what I would call misleading terms as anything can be described as such in the hands of one who can utilize it. I've seen those same descriptors used on eBay for STAINLESS steel bladed swords! Caveat emptor...and thanks for posting this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 21:25:51 GMT
One of the most straightforward ways Ive found to tell a wallhanger from a sword when ordering online:
People who make SWORDS like to post pictures of them stuck in things.
Dirt, trees, mats, videos of cutting and stabbing... If the site sells swords, they'll show what a sword can do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2009 21:33:39 GMT
Hey people, Im looking to buy my first pucca sword that is astheticlly pleasing practical and most of all, can be effectivelly used, what would you suggest?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 20:59:21 GMT
I guess I am one of the luckiest swordsman around, I have quite a few stainless steel swords that I bought before I heard of Cheness and the Sword Buyers Guide forum. Here is the list: 1.a full tang Katana, 2.a ninjato, 3.a Dao 4.a Blood+ Anime sword 5. a Samurai 3000 Katana, 6. a Samurai 3000 Tanto. I have some Kit Rae swords I am not counting, as I never sharpened them, so they have never been used for cutting. The previous 6 swords have been cutting stuff, some for years, without a failure. Three bear special mention, the Samurai 3000 swords came with a decent edge, unlike some supposedly better swords that came dull as a post. :POnce I sharpened the Samurai 3000 swords, they easily were brought to crazy-sharp edges, and would slice through stuff including small tree branches with almost no resistance. I am curious how the handles of the Samurai 3000 swords are mounted to the blades, but not curious enough to ruin the sword trying to get the handle off. The Blood+ anime sword is worth a mention since I paid like $24.00 for it, expecting a wall hanger. I was surprised when I drew it from the scabbard with the mirror polish, and the blade geometry. I decided to sharpen it, and cut some light targets. Until I get a proper cutting stand, I put stuff on top of a 55 gallon plastic drum. A fellow swordsman was there for cutting practice, and suggested a different hand position to me. This resulted in me whacking the barrel with my sword. The sword cut a good sized peice off of the barrel, ripped the bung out of the barrel, cut the water bottle, and DID NOT BREAK! Pretty good for a cheap anime sword! Of course, I do not intend to use these swords against hard targets. I don't even treat my Cheness swords that way. But, it's good to know that I could if I wanted to. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2009 2:27:59 GMT
hey everyone, nice to finally be here. I am not sure if this is the right place to post, but I am buying a sword from valiant armory and I am wondering if the custom pommel designs are worth getting. First, how are they exactly made, i.e.: is the pommel carved or do they stick the design in somehow and what effect does that have on the balance of the sword. Also, how long does it take for them to do this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 3:17:22 GMT
Thanks Brendan for the great examples! It's things like this that make me ever more comfortable wielding that beautiful claymore I purchased not too long ago... ;D
Ever since I learned about the more simple aspects of a sword (like tangs, for instance) I've been pickier about what I purchase . I'm glad that I joined this forum full of great people...I learn quite a lot .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 14:13:05 GMT
hey everyone, nice to finally be here. I am not sure if this is the right place to post, but I am buying a sword from valiant armory and I am wondering if the custom pommel designs are worth getting. First, how are they exactly made, i.e.: is the pommel carved or do they stick the design in somehow and what effect does that have on the balance of the sword. Also, how long does it take for them to do this? The pommels and guards are cast, not forged- but this doesn't make them any less functional; it saves them some money and time and thereby reducing the overall cost to us, the consumer. If you're talking about the pommel on the Crusader and Templar, I believe they groove that in-house; but ask Sonny, he's around- he could tell you definitively as it is his shop that puts this great up and coming lineup out to us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 3:11:46 GMT
hey everyone, nice to finally be here. I am not sure if this is the right place to post, but I am buying a sword from valiant armory and I am wondering if the custom pommel designs are worth getting. First, how are they exactly made, i.e.: is the pommel carved or do they stick the design in somehow and what effect does that have on the balance of the sword. Also, how long does it take for them to do this? The pommels and guards are cast, not forged- but this doesn't make them any less functional; it saves them some money and time and thereby reducing the overall cost to us, the consumer. If you're talking about the pommel on the Crusader and Templar, I believe they groove that in-house; but ask Sonny, he's around- he could tell you definitively as it is his shop that puts this great up and coming lineup out to us. nah, I mean the custom service they offer, I chose a custom design on the pomel, I was wondering if that would distrupt the general PoB of the sword... anyway though, I'm gonna have it my hands by wednesday/thursday/friday this week, so I'll see.
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