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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2008 22:55:48 GMT
that is a horrid weld on that. I have seen higher end swords with welded ends on the tangs but it was a much better job. The tang still extended down 3/4 of the grip before the treads . The thing is, it doesn't matter what the weld is like. Being a wallhanger, it's not built to wishstand ANY stress whatsoever, short of hanging on a wall. There's so many reasons why wallhangers are so cheap. the threaded rod being tacked into the blade to make up the WHOLE tang is one of the main reasons. Because of this, the manufacturing is MUCH faster, as well as allowing ease of hilt-changes. That means they can put out three different blade styles with 3 different hilt styles, then mix up all the components for more models without making different parts. 3(blades) x 3(guards) x 3(handles) x 3(pommels) = 81 different combinations that can be placed in and out of the market during the course of a few years.
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Post by oos3thoo on Feb 11, 2008 5:41:28 GMT
Hmmm, I actually have a stainless steel wallhanger that can stand a lot of abuse. I sliced layer after layer from a plank of wood. I took the blade and wrapped the handle in duct tape and it can handle a lot of abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2008 18:27:07 GMT
Is the handle round in cross-section or oval?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2008 4:40:57 GMT
good stuff, thanks for helping new people know what to look for. It should probably be noted as well, "if the seller seems to know what their describing, but has no pictures with the handle removed to show the tang then he's probably hoping for a new buyer who will probably be reluctant to disassemble their new toy. And even then probably won't know whats good or bad anyway
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 22, 2008 5:17:05 GMT
Is the handle round in cross-section or oval? It's oval, and too big for my hands, no matter really as I never considered cutting anything with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 3:27:38 GMT
wow... your pictures brings back memories of when I was still naive and in my early teens. I got suckered into buying a "great quality wakizashi" because I didn't know crap about types of steels used for functional swords. The lady who suckered me into buying that rip off short katana-like object knew it too and even threw in the famous "you see? 420 J2 stainless steel! very nice sword for you to buy for only $65. I normally sell it for 75 but since you seem very interested, $65 is the right price for you." An experienced sword buyer would have heard something different from her... maybe it would have sounded like this instead:
"I can see you're a sucke... er I mean new sword buyer. Well idiot, this is a cheap wall hanger sword wannabe perfect for you. It's even made out of sempriniesque stainless steel. I normally only sell it for 20 bucks but since you're a complete new moron who's easy to fool, I'll sell it to you for $65."
Thanks for posting this thread up by the way. It may save a new sword buyer from making the same mistake I did back then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 3:29:11 GMT
Oh yea brenno, I gave you a karma
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Post by tajima on Mar 6, 2008 5:21:07 GMT
Hmmm. Yes, very good.
I was what...eleven when I got my first real katana (The Musashi $179 Wind...the actual one Paul used...*Goes dreamy, I will never wash this handle!*)
Thanks, -Tajima
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Mar 6, 2008 5:33:05 GMT
my friend bought one of those years ago and it was delivered to my house and is smelled like crap before the box was even opened
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Post by salvatore on Mar 6, 2008 9:11:22 GMT
I handled one too, I do not trust musashi. Why dish out that money on a musashi when you can go with a lower end blade from cheness? Like the mokko for instance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2008 0:53:47 GMT
A G-series, from Ahemmm... maybe ;D Nah it was one of these. I dare say g-series blades are ok, but their hilts do look pretty bunky. <.< Bunky? >.> Ahem. I will not go there. <.< Nice samples and information. I will definately be very finicky about what combat capable sword I choose. + for Brenno
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2008 14:22:25 GMT
It's annoying to see welded on rat tail tangs, I mean how much extra work and material does it really take to make a proper one?
I take the point that it makes it easier to offer different models and so forth, but it still strikes me as the worst kind of penny pinching.
I had a dagger with a welded on tang once, and I managed to snap the tang off with my bare hands! I ground the blade down to make it into a full tang, and rounded it off and threaded it for a pommel I made from a large ball bearing. It shortened the knife by about 4.5", but after that it was superb.
I'd say this only applies to knives though, because a sword made from stainless is not worth bothering with.
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Post by jasmineleaf on Aug 4, 2008 2:09:36 GMT
My very first "sword like object" was actually a wall hanger. After becoming more knowledgeable about swords, I was extremely upset at my original purchase. How stupid could I be? Buying something without a full tang, crocodile teeth etched stencil hamon?!
Still angers me to this day. Nothing wrong with getting wall hangers, just don't be like me and think you can swing it around or it might even be functional if you sharpen it. *Stainless steel sucks*
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Post by slav on Aug 4, 2008 4:11:36 GMT
My very first "sword like object" was actually a wall hanger. FYI the terms SLO and Wallhanger are virtually synonymous, so we use the two interchangeably.
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Post by 293master293 on Aug 4, 2008 4:20:57 GMT
My very first "sword like object" was actually a wall hanger. FYI the terms SLO and Wallhanger are virtually synonymous, so we use the two interchangeably. Well, a SLO is basically a sword that looks like a sword-but is not. Cold Steel for example; far from being a wallhanger, but they are just a bunch of SLO's.
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Post by slav on Aug 4, 2008 4:24:06 GMT
Cold steel are as much swords as similarly priced blades from other brands. Please explain what you meant?
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Post by jasmineleaf on Aug 4, 2008 5:19:49 GMT
My very first "sword like object" was actually a wall hanger. FYI the terms SLO and Wallhanger are virtually synonymous, so we use the two interchangeably. Oh okay, thanks for the information. I always thought that an SLO was something just in the shape of the sword and could be made out of any material, even a whole entire sword out of "wood". As for: 'Wall hanger' I thought it was supposed to be somewhat a picture perfect replica of a Katana (externally), have the metal and everything - just not full tang / sharp / and other real features. Sorry about the mistake! I am still learning =).
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Post by jasmineleaf on Aug 4, 2008 5:27:21 GMT
Cold steel are as much swords as similarly priced blades from other brands. Please explain what you meant? I am also quite confused on what he means, but I think the most logical guess is that he's classifying "beaters" and other non-traditional style Katanas (beefy/unKatana-like) as simply "sword like objects" and cannot be considered bona fide Katanas/Shinken/Nihonto(Duh!). Sort of like classifying Cold steel beaters as just "sharp metal objects" or simply "metal blades" that barely resemble a Katana. The differences, I suppose, are mainly their beef or ability to cut things that normal Katanas wouldn't (we've all seen the Cold Steel demonstration videos). Not that I totally agree with him, but I think that's what he means. Let's see if he can clarify for us .
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Post by YlliwCir on Aug 4, 2008 5:42:55 GMT
FYI the terms SLO and Wallhanger are virtually synonymous, so we use the two interchangeably. Oh okay, thanks for the information. I always thought that an SLO was something just in the shape of the sword and could be made out of any material, even a whole entire sword out of "wood". As for: 'Wall hanger' I thought it was supposed to be somewhat a picture perfect replica of a Katana (externally), have the metal and everything - just not full tang / sharp / and other real features. Sorry about the mistake! I am still learning =). I like your definitions, Jasmine.
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Post by 293master293 on Aug 4, 2008 6:41:48 GMT
What I meant is that, Cold Steel weighs to much, they have a crappy balance, stuff like that makes them SLO's. More like sharpened crowbars.
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