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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 31, 2021 20:25:09 GMT
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Post by howler on Jul 31, 2021 20:36:48 GMT
Picked Katana for beginner but Lonsword for others. Part of my reasoning was that the greater your skill level the more you could utilize the longsword size advantage as well as its other attributes (double edge, larger guard).
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 31, 2021 20:43:11 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 31, 2021 20:46:59 GMT
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Post by tera on Jul 31, 2021 20:49:13 GMT
As a master of neither, I can't honestly vote. I have the general feeling that it's the warrior not the weapon. No idea how it would play out with two highly skilled individuals.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 31, 2021 20:54:33 GMT
When we have enough votes for longsword I beg the mods to move this thread to the Japanese Sword section!
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Post by durinnmcfurren on Jul 31, 2021 21:13:56 GMT
Are they wearing armor? Are they dueling or are we talking about a group battle? As Matt Easton says, CONTEXT!
I don't think either sword gives a great advantage. The katana will generally have a lower reach but it is better designed for cutting (NOT because of the steel! Because of the geometry of the blade). It will be less good at stabbing between armor gaps.
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Post by Paul Muad’Dib on Jul 31, 2021 21:15:11 GMT
When we have enough votes for longsword I beg the mods to move this thread to the Japanese Sword section! Semprini (and yes I spelled that since it would do it anyway) you Andi. You have a pretty well hidden mean streak. 🤣 |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 31, 2021 21:27:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 22:33:45 GMT
When Andi has enough votes for anything, I'd say it's time to start another poll. I found another rarevarian rouster. Randy the rarevarian.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 22:54:38 GMT
When Andi has enough votes for anything, I'd say it's time to start another poll. I found another rarevarian rouster. Randy the rarevarian. He's like Andi, only he's red |
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Aug 1, 2021 0:55:24 GMT
In the generic 1-vs-1 in an open space scenario, 10" more reach is a big advantage, and the katana's extra speed due to being lighter and smaller is not enough to compensate for that.
However, these days people usually practice longsword against longsword, rather than against other weapons, so many modern longsword fighters, even with quite a bit of experience, have little idea of how to properly fight against a shorter weapon. I've seen the effects in multiple longsword-vs-katana videos: a bind-happy longsword user gives up all of that reach advantage and lets the katana user in close where they have an advantage due to a lighter and shorter weapon.
Perhaps the wise katana user also draws his/her wakizashi - katana + wakizashi vs longsword helps deal with the difference in reach. Otherwise, one can throw the wakizashi, which will at least be a distraction and might be decisive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 1:10:26 GMT
In the generic 1-vs-1 in an open space scenario, 10" more reach is a big advantage, and the katana's extra speed due to being lighter and smaller is not enough to compensate for that. However, these days people usually practice longsword against longsword, rather than against other weapons, so many modern longsword fighters, even with quite a bit of experience, have little idea of how to properly fight against a shorter weapon. I've seen the effects in multiple longsword-vs-katana videos: a bind-happy longsword user gives up all of that reach advantage and lets the katana user in close where they have an advantage due to a lighter and shorter weapon. Perhaps the wise katana user also draws his/her wakizashi - katana + wakizashi vs longsword helps deal with the difference in reach. Otherwise, one can throw the wakizashi, which will at least be a distraction and might be decisive. Are they really lighter tho? Only katana I've held that's light as my longsword was my Kris cutlery, everything else was sluggish in comparison |
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Post by pellius on Aug 1, 2021 2:18:27 GMT
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Post by Kane Shen on Aug 1, 2021 4:16:10 GMT
I'm taking the assumption that this is done on a katana with average blade length (28" or so) and a longsword of average size (37" blade). I mean do we need to talk about anything else, my money is on the guy with a reach advantage this massive, regardless of skill level. This is to not even considering the advantage of the wide crossguard over the tsuba, and the difference in handling.
If you are talking about a nodachi or o-katana with 37" vs a longsword of 37", then it would be more interesting (longsword still would be having an advantage, due to its nimbler handling compared to a o-katana of that size).
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Aug 1, 2021 4:19:54 GMT
Are they really lighter tho? On average, much lighter. The average antique longsword is 1.6kg, while a typical middle-of-the-road modern longsword is 1.5kg. From a sample of 19 swords, the average weight of a bare katana blade is 780g, and the tsuka and tsuba will add about 250-400g, for a total of about 1.1kg. The average modern Chinese-made katana is 1.16kg, calculating from the swords in www.toyamaryu.org/SwordMeasurements.htm (and omitting the Cold Steel "Nodachi", because it isn't a katana). Only katana I've held that's light as my longsword was my Kris cutlery, everything else was sluggish in comparison What is your longsword, and how heavy is it? |
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Post by Cottontail Customs on Aug 1, 2021 4:37:05 GMT
we've had sword vs sword and skill level vs skill level covered, shouldn't there be one for style vs style? or is that what you mean by sword vs sword? or, are we assuming anyone/everyone fighting with a katana is fighting in the same JSA style and the same with the long sword/HEMA? I mean, put a katana in the hands of an fma practitioner or the longsword in the hands of a practitioner of a different sword art and the results, despite similar skill level, could be very different, no? not sure if this even makes sense but it could be interesting. ok, now that I'm reading this back it does seem kind of silly but I still think switching things up may be a better way to actually test one sword type against another.  |
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