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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Aug 28, 2021 11:01:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 18:52:04 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 7, 2021 10:10:24 GMT
In Germany the number of infections still rises but it looks like the exponential rising is stopped. Due to vaccination the legal prerequisites for harder measures changed from rates of infections to rates of hospitalisations.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 7, 2021 12:20:36 GMT
Last week we had our second highest on record of new cases, 16,601 or an average of 2,371/day. The predictions for September are 3,000-3,500 per day. The variant Delta is much responsible.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 10, 2021 5:19:20 GMT
In Germany we have currently more people under 60 in icu with covid than people over 60. Ca. 90 % of hospitalisations are not vaccinated (35 % of whole population)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 6:44:05 GMT
Similarly in the US. It is the younger unvaccinated that are in the hospitals. Most of the elderly here in RI have been vaccinated but statewide it is still a hurdle to get some to take a shot. The governor just relaxed a mandate to get health care workers vaccinated, which is kind of counter productive. The US death rate is at the level of the winter holidays of 2020. 1500+ a day last week. Compare that to the American Civil War. We will likely meet the casualty numbers of that war in half the time (750,000 over four years). We are listed at the 650,000 level now.
Subtract what causes one wants to but there have been a lot passing worldwide. Only 70 dead in my town but more than 10% of the population here has been infected.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 10, 2021 7:30:33 GMT
Wow that's hard, covid deaths here in Germany are ca. 40 - 50 a day, with 1/4 of the population of the US. And we count deaths "from" and "with" covid. We have a a bit lower vaccination rate in East German countries but there also aren't many infections there. No vaccination mandats but more and more you need tests if you are not vaccinated or recovered and as from Oktober tests have to be paid. And sick pay will be canceled if you're in quarantine as an unvaccinated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 9:02:37 GMT
So Octobertests will hardly be Octoberfests (bad pun).
I continue pushing for teleheath conferences when I can but the hospital visits are inevitable encounters. A lot of visiting sites have air handling going on.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 10, 2021 11:52:40 GMT
The predicted increase in infections for September, up to 3,500 per day, here alarmed and puzzled me. Then last night I realized 15 September is Independence Day. Not only that but we celebrate our bi-centennial and ticos are party animals. I've already seen some previews of what's to come.
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Post by roth on Sept 10, 2021 20:12:58 GMT
Has anybody heard the reasoning as to why the vaccine is safe for a 12 year old but might not be safe for an 11 year old?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 10, 2021 20:21:19 GMT
Not enough tests to be sure the positive effects exceed the risks because usually they don't suffer hard from the disease itself.
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Post by tera on Sept 10, 2021 21:09:33 GMT
Has anybody heard the reasoning as to why the vaccine is safe for a 12 year old but might not be safe for an 11 year old? Medicine, while based in science, is not nearly as complete a science as we sometimes think. They have reason to believe ages of about 12 are ok, so while data supports that age in general, the actual line drawn is somewhat arbitrary. The same goes for ages you need prostate exams or scopes for colon cancer. You aren't magically vulnerable at a certain age, it is a guideline based on statistics and published as a recommended best practice.
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Post by roth on Sept 11, 2021 4:09:32 GMT
Has anybody heard the reasoning as to why the vaccine is safe for a 12 year old but might not be safe for an 11 year old? Medicine, while based in science, is not nearly as complete a science as we sometimes think. They have reason to believe ages of about 12 are ok, so while data supports that age in general, the actual line drawn is somewhat arbitrary. The same goes for ages you need prostate exams or scopes for colon cancer. You aren't magically vulnerable at a certain age, it is a guideline based on statistics and published as a recommended best practice. It is certainly true that you have to draw a line somewhere but I have never heard a reason why it is 12. Calling it "arbitrary" is as good as any but it would concern me if I had a 12 year old, especially in a place like Los Angeles where a vaccine is mandatory to stay in school. It would seem like they were forcing my child to be a test case for the purpose of gathering data. Not being sure where the line is, is a clear admission that you are not sure and I would be uncomfortable giving a vaccine to my child if modern medicine was unsure. Also, if you tested positive today, can they tell for sure that you have it today or could you have had it 3 months ago?
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Post by tera on Sept 11, 2021 4:52:52 GMT
That's wandering a bit towards political views and away from the purpose of this thread, so I must respectfully decline to reply.
On topic, one local hospital is reporting that 87% of its patient are Covid cased. 0% of those patients were vaccinated. Our Governor is requesting additional FEMA support as out healthcare system is overtaxed.
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Post by roth on Sept 11, 2021 18:51:25 GMT
The big problem is that there is not enough information being put out IN THE RIGHT PLACES to convince anti-vaccers why they are wrong. Many of them won't go to websites like the CDC's. Sure you won't convince all of them but you could change minds if you targeted public service TV commercials toward the right audiences on certain shows. Explain why mRNA is fine even though it's never been approved for use until now. Explain what took so long for FDA approval. Explain why you aren't giving it to kids but it is safe for adults. This has been a terrible job of getting the word out. None of the people running this would ever survive in marketing. Their inactions throw fuel on the conspiracy theorist's fires.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 13, 2021 12:38:19 GMT
Biontech, the developer of the Pfizer vaccine, said they try to get the approval for the vaccination of children at the age from 5 - 12 in Oktober. A smaller dose.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Sept 13, 2021 13:29:05 GMT
Roth, This is not a politics thread. It is informational only. While many would agree with your statements, we had a thread that went haywire over covid. So we're keeping it strictly informational. Please leave politics out of this.
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Post by tera on Sept 13, 2021 16:49:45 GMT
From our State's latest daily report: New cases: 5197 Positivity Rate: 14.0% In-patient bed utilization: 71.2% ICU bed utilization: 88.3%
I don't know if it is a State ordinance or individual facility decision, but no Hospitals near me are performing elective surgeries at this time. Effectively, all ORs are now ERs. The numbers above do reflect aid received so far from FEMA to help manage our resource utilization.
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Post by treeslicer on Sept 13, 2021 17:09:15 GMT
My small community in northern Florida has been hit by a number of Covid deaths, and the church I attend has rolled back things considered hazardous (like hymn-singing, bringing refreshments, etc.) again, until further notice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 16:03:11 GMT
Medicine, while based in science, is not nearly as complete a science as we sometimes think. They have reason to believe ages of about 12 are ok, so while data supports that age in general, the actual line drawn is somewhat arbitrary. The same goes for ages you need prostate exams or scopes for colon cancer. You aren't magically vulnerable at a certain age, it is a guideline based on statistics and published as a recommended best practice. It is certainly true that you have to draw a line somewhere but I have never heard a reason why it is 12. Calling it "arbitrary" is as good as any but it would concern me if I had a 12 year old, especially in a place like Los Angeles where a vaccine is mandatory to stay in school. It would seem like they were forcing my child to be a test case for the purpose of gathering data. Not being sure where the line is, is a clear admission that you are not sure and I would be uncomfortable giving a vaccine to my child if modern medicine was unsure. Also, if you tested positive today, can they tell for sure that you have it today or could you have had it 3 months ago? Along with any political leaning statements and not wanting to shame anyone over understandings, the truths may set one free. For instance, testing for antibodies vs diagnostic testing. www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/covid-antibody-tests/faq-20484429As of the timeline posted a month ago (not just a week ago) dosages for the under twelve were already being studied. As to the best place to get information, those are the global and more local hubs making announcements and collecting data, One can deny those sources and combine their own conspiracies, there are plenty of those sites and discussions to flock to but would one rather trust someone doing a podcast, or simply gather as much news as possible? I don't outright see anyone just wanting to shame the anti testers, anti vaxers and anti logical thinkers. I alway tend to look at more than a few sources for any questionable material. What brought it to mind today is that Brown University is now testing (diagnostic, not antibodies) vaccinated students. Days after Brown University students arrived on campus, most fully vaccinated and ready for a nearly normal year, the school reimposed temporary pandemic restrictions upon confirming 82 positive asymptomatic COVID-19 tests.
As it turns out, the majority were vaccinated students.
Brown, unlike other schools in Rhode Island, requires all undergraduate students on campus — regardless of vaccination status — to be tested twice a week, while graduate and medical students, along with employees, must test once a week. At other institutions, such rules would typically be imposed on those who haven’t been vaccinated or who have been granted an exemption.www.providencejournal.com/story/news/local/2021/09/15/brown-testing-vaccinated-students-should-other-schools-do-same/8346585002/?utm_source=providencejournal-News%20Alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alerts&utm_term=news_alert&utm_content=RHODEISLAND-PROVIDENCE-NLETTER01A remaining reality is that asymptomatic individuals can pass on the virus to others. One thing that has gathered steam this past season is that the surface contact transmission has been determined to be less likely to occur than first thought.
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