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Post by roth on Jul 9, 2021 15:47:08 GMT
LOL Well, this kid might not be driving a real car but he is driving a car. So, if I tell my friends I own two swords it is true in my mind but not in the minds of others.
So, would you personally label that $20,000 wallhanger you mentioned a real sword?
Am I correct that to be worth that much and not be "real" it must have been in a movie or something....or owned by someone famous...or both.
Of course, everything is relatively I suppose....and we are playing with words...specifically the word "real". My grandson has a foam sword and since he can play with it and it is not a sword in his imagination, it is real. His puppy thinks it is real too, as is evident by the chunks she has tore out of it.
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 9, 2021 16:55:45 GMT
LOL Well, this kid might not be driving a real car but he is driving a car. So, if I tell my friends I own two swords it is true in my mind but not in the minds of others. So, would you personally label that $20,000 wallhanger you mentioned a real sword? Am I correct that to be worth that much and not be "real" it must have been in a movie or something....or owned by someone famous...or both. Of course, everything is relatively I suppose....and we are playing with words...specifically the word "real". My grandson has a foam sword and since he can play with it and it is not a sword in his imagination, it is real. His puppy thinks it is real too, as is evident by the chunks she has tore out of it. This reasoning is quite fallacious. Just because something is a real object in a sense that it exists in a physical form, doesn't mean it's a real sword, or a real car. You can make the child believe it's a "real car", even though I doubt the child will actually believe it, that's not a concern of the law. But if you send the child onto the high way with it, the child will be killed in the first 10 seconds and YOU are liable, because it is NOT a real car, it is a toy car, which is clearly stated by the manufacturer who got officially licensed by Tesla to make the toy. A very well made, very expensive toy, but a toy nonetheless. One is "free" to believe whatever he wants, guaranteed by the 1st amendment, in the sense that he won't be arrested and jailed as long as he doesn't harm anyone else's interests. It does not make your belief the reality. Also, I doubt your grandson would have trouble telling the differences between a foam sword and a real sword. To a dog, it makes no difference. It doesn't know what a sword is or what a foam toy is, they are all just physical objects with different properties. The $20000 wallhangers I was talking about are some bejeweled sword-like-objects categorized as jewelries, or interior decorations. Nobody will swing them around and use them to fence like a sword, and indeed upon impact with anything it will fall apart. So no, it is not a real sword, and it's not relative. I have this wonderful set of miniatures Depicting the Battle of Bosworth. Real objects, painstakingly crafted and painted. But if I tell my friend who's really into horses that I own 4 horses and keep discussing them as if they were real, she would either think I'm a failed comedian, or I'm delusional. If I go to a historical plate armor group on Facebook and tell them I own a dozen sets of real 15th century harness, and show them this, I would likely be kicked or just laughed out of the group. There are also miniature swords held by these men-at-arms, and they are individually made pieces-beautiful to behold, but like the wallhangers, they are not real swords.  |
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Post by roth on Jul 9, 2021 17:09:56 GMT
Thanks Kane! I sure appreciate you sharing all your knowledge. You know a million times more about swords than I do but I suspect we view life differently. That's cool though. We both love swords and in the spirit of a sword forum, I am honored to know you.
Awesome miniatures! I love chess and someday would like to get something similar in the form of a chess set.
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Post by stormmaster on Jul 9, 2021 17:37:54 GMT
All my swords are decorative since I don't use them lol
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Jul 9, 2021 18:22:20 GMT
Great posts Kane. Sometimes when I try to explain about Real Swords & Functionality to others I borrow from Albion's old page about " Fully Functional" Swords. A Real Fully Functional Sword is a weapon that meets or exceeds proven historical examples with the intended purpose to Fight & Win Against Actual Capable Human Beings and Their Defenses at the Time and not merely to beat debris up in the backyard or look pretty on a wall/shelf. www.albion-swords.com/swords-functional.htmThe contemporary swordmaking industry is rife with marketing terminology such as "battle ready," "battle worthy," "warrior grade" etc.
None of the terms are truly meaningful -- for anyone trained in the martial arts, a rolled up magazine can be used as a weapon, capable of serious damage, and could therefore be considered "battle ready."
Any replica sword, even a stainless or mild steel sword-shaped object, can do serious damage if used as a weapon.
We coined the term "fully functional" a few years ago to describe the standard that our swords are intended to meet -- but what does that mean?
To us, that means a sword that meets or exceeds the standards set by the originals we recreate or are inspired by.
Anything that a Medieval sword should be expected to be in: materials, weight, balance, proportions and dimensions," look," "feel," edge geometry, fit and finish, cutting ability and most importantly, safety.
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 9, 2021 18:43:16 GMT
All my swords are decorative since I don't use them lol Yeah Nicholas you use your swords for decoration and collection purposes, but they are all made functional, in all the critical criteria they not just meeting but well above the standards of what could be considered a functional sword. Historically many swords made as status symbols also demonstrated all of the functional traits. Wallhangers or non-functional "bearing swords" also exist in history, of course. |
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 9, 2021 18:46:16 GMT
Great posts Kane. Sometimes when I try to explain about Real Swords & Functionality to others I borrow from Albion's old page about " Fully Functional" Swords. A Real Fully Functional Sword is a weapon that meets or exceeds proven historical examples with the intended purpose to Fight & Win Against Actual Capable Human Beings and Their Defenses at the Time and not merely to beat debris up in the backyard or look pretty on a wall/shelf. www.albion-swords.com/swords-functional.htmThe contemporary swordmaking industry is rife with marketing terminology such as "battle ready," "battle worthy," "warrior grade" etc.
None of the terms are truly meaningful -- for anyone trained in the martial arts, a rolled up magazine can be used as a weapon, capable of serious damage, and could therefore be considered "battle ready."
Any replica sword, even a stainless or mild steel sword-shaped object, can do serious damage if used as a weapon.
We coined the term "fully functional" a few years ago to describe the standard that our swords are intended to meet -- but what does that mean?
To us, that means a sword that meets or exceeds the standards set by the originals we recreate or are inspired by.
Anything that a Medieval sword should be expected to be in: materials, weight, balance, proportions and dimensions," look," "feel," edge geometry, fit and finish, cutting ability and most importantly, safety.
All of these categories comprise the intense specifications that our swords are expected to meet. Thanks, Arthur Dayne. Those are some concise and eloquent explanations! |
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Post by roth on Jul 10, 2021 0:14:15 GMT
I agree Kane. I sure am learning a lot.
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 10, 2021 16:05:06 GMT
But with all that being said, if you had to use it in a split-second emergency against a 60% water target(Use your imagination) it would probably function and hold up...one time. True, but then probably even a sharpened pencil will also do the job. And if your opponent wields any sort of functional weapon like a knife or an axe, a very unbalanced and dull steel bar will probably not gonna fare well, not to mention you could take a swing and the hilt explodes in your hand as the tang bends, and you end up having your own hands cut (true story, happened to Matthew Jensen on screen). |
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 10, 2021 16:13:42 GMT
Here’s sword reviewer Matthew Jensen doing a comedic episode in which he “test”ed a wallhanger as if it was a sword. Three very light taps on the blade made the hilt literally explode, and the shards cut his hand. To quote Doug Marcaida, “it will cut (yourself)” 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 19:18:46 GMT
Sorry guys but the thread has now devolved to a state of lacking common sense.
I have nothing else to add except to say that as in usenet, as soon as someone mentions Hitler, the thread is officially dead. In this case Matthew's video proving nothing, really. Only that common sense has left the building.
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 11, 2021 1:41:15 GMT
Sorry guys but the thread has now devolved to a state of lacking common sense. I have nothing else to add except to say that as in usenet, as soon as someone mentions Hitler, the thread is officially dead. In this case Matthew's video proving nothing, really. Only that common sense has left the building. LOL, I think it's still chock full of common sense. Basically his video proves using a decorative wallhanger in any manner vaguely related to the the usage of weaponry is against the advisory guidelines of health authorities. His video is quite in line with the video produced by Paul Southern back in the good ol' days. To relate to this spirit of this thread, once again I'm not against the creation and ownership of wallhangers, but believing that the blade being made of carbon steel alone will exempt it from having all the property of a wallhanger isn't very wise. Do you think that should the blade be made of 1045 steel instead of 420 stainless, the hilt wouldn't explode upon three light taps, as shown in the video? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 1:55:06 GMT
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 11, 2021 1:58:41 GMT
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Jul 11, 2021 2:10:37 GMT
Gawddamn so that's the legendary wallhanger sword Anathar. I like how its presence was so strong & awesome that the decorative hilt exploded after a few whacks.
I had a few decorative wallhanger katanas and mini swords (dagger looking) with plastic hilts that weren't as awesome, it took more effort to get the hilts on those to blast apart hitting misc junk and some of the blades straight up left the hilts because they found new homes embedded in trees.
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 11, 2021 2:20:04 GMT
Gawddamn so that's the legendary wallhanger sword Anathar. I like how its presence was so strong & awesome that the decorative hilt exploded after a few whacks. I had a few decorative wallhanger katanas and mini swords (dagger looking) with plastic hilts that weren't as awesome, it took more effort to get the hilts on those to blast apart hitting misc junk and some of the blades left the hilts because they found new homes embedded in trees. Indeed! Some wallhangers (e.g. Marto) are made with a bit more integrity than others, not that it would make a huge difference to their decorative functionality. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 3:11:03 GMT
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Post by Kane Shen on Jul 11, 2021 3:34:23 GMT
What is YOUR point? Or what do you think the point of this thread should be? The point of the thread is awaiting the release of a non stainless fantasy sword. No more and little less. Will the construction prove good? Will it handle like the best longsword? These may seem valid but really only simple speculation without one in hand, or first hand comunique. John Lundemo fulfilled several Anduril orders in a wave of "me, mine, better than yours" schoolyard antics and before that there was the Kevin Cashen, Patrick Hastings sword. Why expect an obvious fantasy sword, such as the Jensen Kit Rae sword of torture to even equate as a functional sword (Just as Hitler was as he was). Obvious common sense has been lost in producing that video (without even much entertainment value). Your mileage may vary. Be alert, we need more lerts. Cheers GC Like I have elaborated in the past 20 posts or so, releasing a sword with simply swapping out a stainless blade with everything else remaining the same is quite pointless. In fact, it's less than being pointless, it's counter-productive. As it would still just function as no more than a wallhanger, but now a carbon steel blade would increase the maintenance cost, while not making it any more functional if none of the other aspects of the old wallhangers are reviewed and modified. Such comment is not intended to be a speculation, but a form of communication with a known community liaison from the company that owns the official license, which could potentially have the interests in them rekindled with an upcoming high-budget series set in the same universe. The licensed swords have strong potential to be functional with some small modifications, as they were designed by sword makers knowledgeable in historical and functional swords. Not doing so would be a waste of potential. You also completely missed the point of Jensen's video as he more or less expected the wallhanger to fail that way, so he didn't expect it to to perform like a functional sword at all. I don't know how that obvious idea has not come across. The point of the video is to be comedic while demonstrating the minimal effort to cause that failure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 4:02:05 GMT
As indicated, the past twenty posts have simply been a repeat of the quite obvious. I have not overlooked your wants, nor the videos presented.
I found nothing comedic in the imbecility of production for either video. I watched a few seconds of each.
Again, the last couple of pages showing only common sense factors pretty much covered long before page 2.
Will UC use 10mm or 3/8" threads on full tangs? Will UC use steel for the fittings (truly unlikely)? Will Kit Rae or other talking heads produce the most noble and best handling fantasy sword yet? Stay tuned.
Oh, in the meantime, do compile videos showing swords of torture being destroyed.
I have spent thousands of dollars on period swords that will never be used as swords again, aside from study and appreciation. Just as quite a few hang an Albion on the wall, waxing them religiously and spending even more for a never to be used scabbard. while, perhaps, buying a less quality beater. I am not nay saying the potential of a UC effort, just as the 20 year (and counting) growth of useful Deepeeka swords still shows interest.
Frankly, 20 posts of elaboration is what prompted me to write something but I doubt the words mean much aside from wasting time.
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Jul 11, 2021 4:06:06 GMT
What is YOUR point? Or what do you think the point of this thread should be? The point of the thread is awaiting the release of a non stainless fantasy sword. No more and little less. Will the construction prove good? Will it handle like the best longsword? These may seem valid but really only simple speculation without one in hand, or first hand comunique. John Lundemo fulfilled several Anduril orders in a wave of "me, mine, better than yours" schoolyard antics and before that there was the Kevin Cashen, Patrick Hastings sword. Why expect an obvious fantasy sword, such as the Jensen Kit Rae sword of torture to even equate as a functional sword (Just as Hitler was as he was). Obvious common sense has been lost in producing that video (without even much entertainment value). Your mileage may vary. Be alert, we need more lerts. Cheers GC Edelweiss go piss off a bit and cool off. And loosen up a bit too, this is how social discussions go, everyone throwing their comments here and there. If it’s not serious business enough for you then you can always butt out instead of ruining the fun. You’re the guy who is: Oh This is How We Do Our sempriniing Topic Discussions Chest Thumping |
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