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Post by Dandelion on Aug 27, 2020 13:51:18 GMT
Ok, Holger posted some pictures of his Regenyei Kriegsmesser on "some other place"; bad idea. Beside a lot of mocking on him because of his looks the Regenyei sword almost instantly got labeled "historical uncorrect" (yes, with that grammar), "pure fantasy" etc. etc. Now... Regenyei Armoury isnt known too much for producing fantasy items; in fact theyre held in quite high esteem here in Europe by a big part of the HEMA enthusiasts; at least as far we know. So - besides of posting some pics of the sword WITH the hands that wield it (and some more body ;-)) i would ask for POLITE opinions on the sword. On its correctness level, the size etc. with REASONS. And please: dont mock on my guy. He knows he is too fat, i know he is too fat. There are reasons for it. The types of reasons which are hard to work against. Thank you. Edit: Holger is 182 cm, so one gets a feel for the dimensions of the sword.
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Post by Cos on Aug 27, 2020 14:19:57 GMT
Holg should stay off reddit, that sub is toxic. It's a bit off from what I have seen in MOST messers, but I'm not an expert and it very well could fall into historical design. It's a neat blade, kinda reminds me of the Oferi blades in W3. I'd reccomend you enjoy your swords, and not to take internet snipes to heart.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Aug 27, 2020 14:22:20 GMT
I don't remember more than a few pictures of antique kriegsmessers and it's absolute possible that the points I think are ahistorical are historical correct indeed (then: "ah, historical!"). Somehow wrong look to me: The curved handle. The groovy schnepf. The tapering foible to this acute point. Nevertheless it's a nice messer.
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Post by Dandelion on Aug 27, 2020 14:57:15 GMT
Holg should stay off reddit, that sub is toxic. It's a bit off from what I have seen in MOST messers, but I'm not an expert and it very well could fall into historical design. It's a neat blade, kinda reminds me of the Oferi blades in W3. I'd reccomend you enjoy your swords, and not to take internet snipes to heart. Thanx for input sso far! Yeah, Reddit; but there he is the toxic avenger himself! But there are some strange folk too, for sure... personal insults, especially on handicaps or so are a no-go!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 15:06:07 GMT
I don't care of that sword is historically accurate or not, it's freaking COOL looking!
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Post by Lord Newport on Aug 27, 2020 15:07:05 GMT
Ok, Holger posted some pictures of his Regenyei Kriegsmesser on "some other place"; bad idea. Beside a lot of mocking on him because of his looks the Regenyei sword almost instantly got labeled "historical uncorrect" (yes, with that grammar), "pure fantasy" etc. etc. Now... Regenyei Armoury isnt known too much for producing fantasy items; in fact theyre held in quite high esteem here in Europe by a big part of the HEMA enthusiasts; at least as far we know. So - besides of posting some pics of the sword WITH the hands that wield it (and some more body ;-)) i would ask for POLITE opinions on the sword. On its correctness level, the size etc. with REASONS. And please: dont mock on my guy. He knows he is too fat, i know he is too fat. There are reasons for it. The types of reasons which are hard to work against. Thank you. Edit: Holger is 182 cm, so one gets a feel for the dimensions of the sword. Holger is over weight but not excessively and I dont see anything about his looks that are unusual. Most of us have gained weight in covid lock-down... ..No accounting for the petty people on the internet. Bigass sword. Kriegsmesser's are not my style and I dont know anything about them to be able offer a useful comment on the sword...it looks like a wicked efficient weapon regardless.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Aug 27, 2020 15:11:37 GMT
Only the historical correct swords should be historical correct!
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Post by paulmuaddib on Aug 27, 2020 15:25:32 GMT
The incredible holg looks fine to me. And that sword is totally badass! Who cares if it is historically correct.
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Post by Dandelion on Aug 27, 2020 15:31:35 GMT
The incredible holg looks fine to me. And that sword is totally badass! Who cares if it is historically correct. Yes usually we try to look at it that way; but some people are really good in expertly rain sh*t on your collection pieces... And i think the czech/hungarian/polish guys in this business would have done their homework too, right?
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Post by nddave on Aug 27, 2020 15:34:31 GMT
I'd say historically it looks more like a two handed middle eastern sword than a messer. Overall though its a nice looki g sword and from a fantasy standpoint has the look of something like a Vampire Hunter D sword.
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Post by treeslicer on Aug 27, 2020 15:34:49 GMT
I don't care of that sword is historically accurate or not, it's freaking COOL looking! IMHO, it looks delightfully dangerous, and tactically useful. Call it a "nagamesser", and tell the authenticity trolls to kiss your arschloch.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Aug 27, 2020 15:36:11 GMT
The incredible holg looks fine to me. And that sword is totally badass! Who cares if it is historically correct. Yes usually we try to look at it that way; but some people are really good in expertly rain sh*t on your collection pieces... And i think the czech/hungarian/polish guys in this business would have done their homework too, right? Pull out your metaphorical umbrella. 😏
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Post by Dandelion on Aug 27, 2020 15:44:16 GMT
Yes usually we try to look at it that way; but some people are really good in expertly rain sh*t on your collection pieces... And i think the czech/hungarian/polish guys in this business would have done their homework too, right? Pull out your metaphorical umbrella. 😏 Gah... dont use that word! Just played Resident Evil 3 remake! Dont want ANYTHING Umbrella... O.o
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Aug 27, 2020 17:00:43 GMT
Wow, cool sword! And I love the Doro pic. Saw her in concert with Warlock years ago.
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Post by Dandelion on Aug 27, 2020 17:57:53 GMT
Wow, cool sword! And I love the Doro pic. Saw her in concert with Warlock years ago. That really was in this life? Or was it another? I cant remember back sooo long...
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Post by alexkjren on Aug 27, 2020 18:34:34 GMT
1) That's a gorgeous sword!
2) As for the sturdy fellow holding the sword, the only thing I can say negative is I wouldn't be cutting or going through techniques only wearing flip flops but that's just my preference. I assume this was just a photo-op and not any serious cutting.
3) From messers and kriegsmessers I've seen examples of, there are 3 things that seem "wrong." Note I put "wrong" in quotes because (a) I'm no expert and haven't seen all or even many historical examples and (b) these 3 features aren't wrong wrong. They're just accentuated and exaggerated compared to the examples I've seen. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. - The pommel looks larger than what's on examples I've seen. - I've seen messers with a bit of "reverse" curve in the grip but not that much of a curve. - The false edge is much longer than any messer I've seen. (Is it sharpened? I'd love to see some reverse cuts!)
4) All that said, there's nothing wrong with that sword. It's beautiful, elegant, and I bet it cuts like a light saber! Personally, It doesn't fit my aesthetic, but as long as it fits his aesthetic and he's happy with it then I say "Great!"
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Post by pellius on Aug 27, 2020 18:56:45 GMT
First and foremost, that is an awesome looking sword. Who cares what keyboard warriors think about your sword or physical appearance.
To my neophyte eye, the blade looks like that of a military saber rather than a messer. It curves along its entire length rather than at its distal 1/3. It narrows in distal profile rather than broadening. It looks like the distal cross section has a diamond profile rather than an elliptical one.
The guard eschews a nagel in favor of a ring, which also leans toward medieval saber.
The hilt’s wood grip scales and pommel are in a messer style, though. From the internet articles I’ve seen, some folks distinguish a messer fundamentally on the hilt construction, claiming that historical knife guilds could make such “large knife” non-sword “messers,” despite not being members of sword guilds.
Regardless, our knowledge of history is limited. Anyone claiming to “know” history better have serious intellectual chops. (Obviously, I have NO such expertise.)
James Elmslie, the go-to messer and falchion guy, made a comprehensive typology of messers and falchions. Being such a generous expert, he would probably be the guy to ask.
In the end, who cares whether the sword is historical in design. It is absolutely awesome. I would argue that any swordsman in historical times would’ve been pleased to have it. 🙂
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Aug 27, 2020 20:27:55 GMT
I think the sword looks cool looking, who cares if its historical looking or not, unless you are posting a take a look at my historical looking sword and implying its that. I would like to see you dandelion holding the sword to see how it looks compared to Holg holding it.
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Post by Dandelion on Aug 27, 2020 21:08:56 GMT
I think the sword looks cool looking, who cares if its historical looking or not, unless you are posting a take a look at my historical looking sword and implying its that. I would like to see you dandelion holding the sword to see how it looks compared to Holg holding it. OK, will do...
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Aug 27, 2020 21:20:41 GMT
Is the partial back edge sharp? As for "historical", I don't think I've seen that particular combination of features, but pretty much everything (ring, tapered blade, back edge, curved hilt, curvature of blade, size) appears on historical examples, and the combination is plausible. You can see a good range of those features here: www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.959288364116914
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