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Post by tera on Oct 6, 2021 23:45:34 GMT
Not to be naggy, but it really comes down to what fits the individual best. It's hard to argue a Lamborghini is the best sports car if the buyer is too tall to fit in one.
That said, for Strikers the HK VP9 has a lot of features I love with one of the best production polymer stiker triggers out there. Wather's PPQ, in my opinion, has a superior trigger to the VP but also has a higher bore axis and different ergonomics. Glocks are Glocks, and have the advantage of absurd aftermarket customization support.
So, there is no one "best handgun" only those models which fit a person best. Someone may run a stock Glock 48 with 15 round metal mags better than a Glock 19 or any other brand's true double-stack simply because the 48 fits better.
Buying firearms should be like going to a seasoned tailor. They can help you select based on use, lifestyle, wardrobe, and individual anatomy and medical constraints. Very few gun stores offer that experience anymore.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 7, 2021 1:48:44 GMT
Not to be naggy, but it really comes down to what fits the individual best. It's hard to argue a Lamborghini is the best sports car if the buyer is too tall to fit in one. That said, for Strikers the HK VP9 has a lot of features I love with one of the best production polymer stiker triggers out there. Wather's PPQ, in my opinion, has a superior trigger to the VP but also has a higher bore axis and different ergonomics. Glocks are Glocks, and have the advantage of absurd aftermarket customization support. So, there is no one "best handgun" only those models which fit a person best. Someone may run a stock Glock 48 with 15 round metal mags better than a Glock 19 or any other brand's true double-stack simply because the 48 fits better. Buying firearms should be like going to a seasoned tailor. They can help you select based on use, lifestyle, wardrobe, and individual anatomy and medical constraints. Very few gun stores offer that experience anymore. Perhaps a fitting Mr. Tera? |
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Post by tera on Oct 7, 2021 4:58:04 GMT
Actually, that's very close to what I had in mind. I love that scene. It reminds me a lot of how we did things where I worked, minus the snooty attitude.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 7, 2021 5:43:55 GMT
Actually, that's very close to what I had in mind. I love that scene. It reminds me a lot of how we did things where I worked, minus the snooty attitude. Not snooty, highly knowledgeable and competent. A professional!  |
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Post by theophilus736 on Oct 7, 2021 17:12:38 GMT
VP9 and PPQ are good guns, but Glock is king. No apologies. This coming from someone who has gone with everything else first and was adamantly "glock is overhyped".
Easy of use, take down, bore axis, safety features... it isn't the cheapest of the options and that isn't due to production cost, but there are real reasons law enforcement and military (soc, anyways) have gone back to it. That or the M&P. Sig got the big contract due to modularity and cost.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 7, 2021 18:24:58 GMT
VP9 and PPQ are good guns, but Glock is king. No apologies. This coming from someone who has gone with everything else first and was adamantly "glock is overhyped". Easy of use, take down, bore axis, safety features... it isn't the cheapest of the options and that isn't due to production cost, but there are real reasons law enforcement and military (soc, anyways) have gone back to it. That or the M&P. Sig got the big contract due to modularity and cost. The Glock is an excellent firearm, particularly in its original 9mm variants but it is almost a 40 year old design. Simplicity is why it is aging so well. As stated above I own just two glocks , both G19's (best of the breed IMHO) but I also own the HK VP9 and the P320. I prefer the HK and shoot it best but I can switch to either of the other two and still have a high degree of competence. it's all just preference or what you are issued/have at the moment. |
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Post by tommyh on Nov 10, 2021 18:37:45 GMT
I'm late to the party, but IMO the Glock 19 has been eclipsed by its own manufacturer. Hard to justify the size when a Glock 48 with the Shield Arms 15 round mags does everything that the 19 does while being skinnier. Only benefit to the 19 is weight reducing felt recoil, but the 48 isn't really snappy.
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Post by tera on Nov 10, 2021 19:50:23 GMT
There is one significant difference, in my opinion. For the vast majority of cases I say the 48 is a better carry choice.
However, the 48 lacks an accessory rail and has a thinner barrel despite being the same caliber. There isn't enough meat on the barrel to shoulder a suppressor. There is at least one (I think only one) company that makes a threaded barrel designed to shoulder internally to a suppressor's piston somehow, but I'd want more information before running the setup. So, it is a great "practical" but not fully "tactical" host.
Otherwise, a model 48 with a wiped Poseidon would be fun. Loud, due to low internal suppressor volume, but still fun.
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Post by howler on Nov 10, 2021 20:06:00 GMT
I'm late to the party, but IMO the Glock 19 has been eclipsed by its own manufacturer. Hard to justify the size when a Glock 48 with the Shield Arms 15 round mags does everything that the 19 does while being skinnier. Only benefit to the 19 is weight reducing felt recoil, but the 48 isn't really snappy. Haven't held the G48, but if it's anything like the Sig P365 than the G19 is a brick in concealed carry comparison. Minus carry/concealment, larger guns are generally better in performance. |
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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 12, 2021 0:37:46 GMT
I don't know why I am no longer getting notifications on my own thread lol. Anyway, the Glock 19 gen 5 is practically a duty pistol in my tiny hands, and if I was looking for a concealed carry piece I may look into a P365 or Glock 48, but since I am in Texas and in good standing with the law, my Glock 19 Gen 5 does perfect for now.
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Post by tommyh on Nov 14, 2021 21:12:55 GMT
There is one significant difference, in my opinion. For the vast majority of cases I say the 48 is a better carry choice. However, the 48 lacks an accessory rail and has a thinner barrel despite being the same caliber. There isn't enough meat on the barrel to shoulder a suppressor. There is at least one (I think only one) company that makes a threaded barrel designed to shoulder internally to a suppressor's piston somehow, but I'd want more information before running the setup. So, it is a great "practical" but not fully "tactical" host. Otherwise, a model 48 with a wiped Poseidon would be fun. Loud, due to low internal suppressor volume, but still fun. I always carry with a light/optic, so if it were me I'd go for the 48 MOS. Even though it's not a standard rail the TLR7 Sub will fit, and IMO the TLR7A and 7 Sub are the best compact carry WMLs at the moment. |
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Post by tommyh on Nov 14, 2021 21:18:47 GMT
I'm late to the party, but IMO the Glock 19 has been eclipsed by its own manufacturer. Hard to justify the size when a Glock 48 with the Shield Arms 15 round mags does everything that the 19 does while being skinnier. Only benefit to the 19 is weight reducing felt recoil, but the 48 isn't really snappy. Haven't held the G48, but if it's anything like the Sig P365 than the G19 is a brick in concealed carry comparison. Minus carry/concealment, larger guns are generally better in performance. Depending on your hand size. For normally sized people, sure. For someone like me who has small hands, a large grip makes it harder for me to manage recoil. |
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Post by tommyh on Nov 14, 2021 21:20:59 GMT
I don't know why I am no longer getting notifications on my own thread lol. Anyway, the Glock 19 gen 5 is practically a duty pistol in my tiny hands, and if I was looking for a concealed carry piece I may look into a P365 or Glock 48, but since I am in Texas and in good standing with the law, my Glock 19 Gen 5 does perfect for now. Nothing really wrong with the 19. I have small hands too and big grips make it hard for me to accelerate a cadence of fire. If it's just a gun for the range, that's all good |
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Post by howler on Nov 15, 2021 2:00:35 GMT
Haven't held the G48, but if it's anything like the Sig P365 than the G19 is a brick in concealed carry comparison. Minus carry/concealment, larger guns are generally better in performance. Depending on your hand size. For normally sized people, sure. For someone like me who has small hands, a large grip makes it harder for me to manage recoil. I see what you are saying, although the trend in addressing that for quite a few years now on the more popular guns is to offer customizable hand grip options (really cool on the HKVP, for instance). |
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Post by tommyh on Nov 15, 2021 17:13:35 GMT
Depending on your hand size. For normally sized people, sure. For someone like me who has small hands, a large grip makes it harder for me to manage recoil. I see what you are saying, although the trend in addressing that for quite a few years now on the more popular guns is to offer customizable hand grip options (really cool on the HKVP, for instance). I agree, but Glock will never change. People have been complaining about the grip angle for years and Glock doesn't care. |
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Post by theophilus736 on Nov 18, 2021 1:23:05 GMT
Honestly if you're having issues with the Glock 19 grip size or angle, it's you, not the gun. I'm 5'7" with small hands and it's completely fine. If people are trying to make the best decision with their $500, I get it. You want something that just seems to work for you in comfort out of the box. But it won't matter if you don't get time behind your gun learning from someone with years of experience. The crisp trigger of your PPQ, the super comfy grip of your P10C, the customizable nature of your P320, or the name brand/reliability of your Glock... it's all meh when it comes with no training. With training, any of them work. Glock is just workier  . I was anti-Glock for about 6 years, until I started shooting a 19 and realized the issues I had with it just were not a big deal. The simplicity of the internals (and externals, of course.. they look like a lego gun) and reliability are why I'm now primarily buying Glocks. If you have money for more than one gun, whatever. Just buy whatever you want. The modern handgun space is full of solid picks. |
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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 18, 2021 2:07:07 GMT
Honestly if you're having issues with the Glock 19 grip size or angle, it's you, not the gun. I'm 5'7" with small hands and it's completely fine. If people are trying to make the best decision with their $500, I get it. You want something that just seems to work for you in comfort out of the box. But it won't matter if you don't get time behind your gun learning from someone with years of experience. The crisp trigger of your PPQ, the super comfy grip of your P10C, the customizable nature of your P320, or the name brand/reliability of your Glock... it's all meh when it comes with no training. With training, any of them work. Glock is just workier . I was anti-Glock for about 6 years, until I started shooting a 19 and realized the issues I had with it just were not a big deal. The simplicity of the internals (and externals, of course.. they look like a lego gun) and reliability are why I'm now primarily buying Glocks. If you have money for more than one gun, whatever. Just buy whatever you want. The modern handgun space is full of solid picks. This thread was made way back when I was looking into getting a handgun. I’ve had a Glock 19 Gen 5 for a few months now and love it overall. |
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Post by tommyh on Nov 19, 2021 20:10:12 GMT
Honestly if you're having issues with the Glock 19 grip size or angle, it's you, not the gun. I'm 5'7" with small hands and it's completely fine. If people are trying to make the best decision with their $500, I get it. You want something that just seems to work for you in comfort out of the box. But it won't matter if you don't get time behind your gun learning from someone with years of experience. The crisp trigger of your PPQ, the super comfy grip of your P10C, the customizable nature of your P320, or the name brand/reliability of your Glock... it's all meh when it comes with no training. With training, any of them work. Glock is just workier . I was anti-Glock for about 6 years, until I started shooting a 19 and realized the issues I had with it just were not a big deal. The simplicity of the internals (and externals, of course.. they look like a lego gun) and reliability are why I'm now primarily buying Glocks. If you have money for more than one gun, whatever. Just buy whatever you want. The modern handgun space is full of solid picks. Angle is a pretty well-documented issue . . . I shoot primarily 2011/1911 pattern handguns and when you get used to that, and then present with a Glock, you end up with a very high front sight. Yeah you can adjust, but if you train for that perfect presentation every time switching grip angles is a real problem |
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Post by shotokan on Dec 29, 2021 15:49:44 GMT
One addendum.. when I'm carrying the absolutely smallest option with largest mag possible, I carry the Sig P365. It is a true gym shorts and swimming trunks gun. There are similar guns now like the hellcat or whatever, but the P365 is also not half bad looking. I love my P365 but I also really enjoy my P938... but my go to for conceal carry is my G43. All three are extremely accurate, comfortable to shoot, and very concealable. |
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Post by theophilus736 on Jan 2, 2022 19:45:19 GMT
Honestly if you're having issues with the Glock 19 grip size or angle, it's you, not the gun. I'm 5'7" with small hands and it's completely fine. If people are trying to make the best decision with their $500, I get it. You want something that just seems to work for you in comfort out of the box. But it won't matter if you don't get time behind your gun learning from someone with years of experience. The crisp trigger of your PPQ, the super comfy grip of your P10C, the customizable nature of your P320, or the name brand/reliability of your Glock... it's all meh when it comes with no training. With training, any of them work. Glock is just workier . I was anti-Glock for about 6 years, until I started shooting a 19 and realized the issues I had with it just were not a big deal. The simplicity of the internals (and externals, of course.. they look like a lego gun) and reliability are why I'm now primarily buying Glocks. If you have money for more than one gun, whatever. Just buy whatever you want. The modern handgun space is full of solid picks. Angle is a pretty well-documented issue . . . I shoot primarily 2011/1911 pattern handguns and when you get used to that, and then present with a Glock, you end up with a very high front sight. Yeah you can adjust, but if you train for that perfect presentation every time switching grip angles is a real problem Not sure what you mean by "issue" 1911 grip angles are not better than Glock grip angles, and that was my point. Glock grip angles aren't better than 1911's. If you can't shoot a Glock, it's you, not the gun. Grip angle on RIFLES can be an issue as you might introduce stress into your wrist depending on the length of pull, grip angle, and a few other factors. Maybe you can make the argument that you're able to angle down more aggressively on the Glock for faster follow up, but weight of the pistol and your practice with it (as well as caliber of course) will factor in well before the grip angle. On a pistol? It's all training. It isn't an issue with the Glock that you can't shoot it. That's your issue, because your muscle memory is locked into a 1911. Which is fine. It's just not the better platform to be locked into. If you had muscle memory locked into a P10C, or a PPQ, at least you would be locked into a pistol that is less finnicky, less maintenance heavy, holds more rounds, and carry's better. For the record I love 1911's and 2011's. My 10mm 2011 is a sweet shooter. I personally prefer the double stack on a 2011 to basically any other pistol so far as grip comfort goes. But I don't carry it concealed... that would be ridiculous lol. |
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. I was anti-Glock for about 6 years, until I started shooting a 19 and realized the issues I had with it just were not a big deal. The simplicity of the internals (and externals, of course.. they look like a lego gun) and reliability are why I'm now primarily buying Glocks. If you have money for more than one gun, whatever. Just buy whatever you want. The modern handgun space is full of solid picks. 
Things have changed!