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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 4, 2020 21:33:37 GMT
Home defense kits are mostly just excuses to buy toys. What I think matters is the gun you actually carry in public and how good you are with it. Also tourniquets and gauze. But if you're going to invest in all that, might I suggest a go pro camera and your lawyer's business card. Tampons are better than gauze. Shove them in the wound. They are already sterile and absorbent, and available everywhere. The trauma doctors can easily remove them intact. Gauze leaves lots of loose strings that have to be flushed out, and it's far too easy to get dirt and stuff in the wound when trying to seal it with loose gauze wrappings. Don't bother with a store bought tourniquet, you'll never have it when you need it. Use your pocket knife to slice a piece off the clothing of the victim and use that instead. |
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Post by howler on Jun 4, 2020 21:39:06 GMT
Break into my home and find out. The best defense is not letting anybody know what expect. Best thing to advertise is that you have a few CHEAP (meaning little black market value) but effective firearms which keeps you from being robbed while on vacation because unsavory people found out that you have an expensive arsenal they are now tempted to plunder. |
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Post by howler on Jun 4, 2020 21:42:19 GMT
Home defense kits are mostly just excuses to buy toys. What I think matters is the gun you actually carry in public and how good you are with it. Also tourniquets and gauze. But if you're going to invest in all that, might I suggest a go pro camera and your lawyer's business card. Tampons are better than gauze. Shove them in the wound. They are already sterile and absorbent, and available everywhere. The trauma doctors can easily remove them intact. Gauze leaves lots of loose strings that have to be flushed out, and it's far too easy to get dirt and stuff in the wound when trying to seal it with loose gauze wrappings. Don't bother with a store bought tourniquet, you'll never have it when you need it. Use your pocket knife to slice a piece off the clothing of the victim and use that instead. Using the victims clothing, now that's resourceful. |
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 4, 2020 22:24:06 GMT
Break into my home and find out. The best defense is not letting anybody know what expect. Best thing to advertise is that you have a few CHEAP (meaning little black market value) but effective firearms which keeps you from being robbed while on vacation because unsavory people found out that you have an expensive arsenal they are now tempted to plunder. In that case, I have a chrome plated Bryco .32 and a baseball bat. |
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Post by howler on Jun 4, 2020 22:48:37 GMT
Best thing to advertise is that you have a few CHEAP (meaning little black market value) but effective firearms which keeps you from being robbed while on vacation because unsavory people found out that you have an expensive arsenal they are now tempted to plunder. In that case, I have a chrome plated Bryco .32 and a baseball bat. I get your meaning, I'd still personally up that.32 to 9mm, but whatever you're comfortable and confident with is what counts. Everyone should have a baseball bat or similar blunt force tool, and the good thing about the ole slugger is you have a ball & mitt nearby so everything seems spontaneous rather than premeditated. Cuz ya never know when you need to "play ball". |
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Post by unistat76 on Jun 4, 2020 23:01:14 GMT
My stuff pretty much looks like yours. A pistol belt (battle belt) with some mags, a knife, and a trauma kit. Glock 19, Gen 4, if anyone was wondering. I have an AR rifle staged with some level III body armor with more mags on the carrier. There are other various rifles, pistols, and shotguns around the house. I'm much more a "gun guy" than a "sword guy." Aside from all that I have my duty belt, but the irony is that I would 100% grab my personally bought stuff first, lol. Good to know im thinking along the same lines as a paid professional.. 8-) Well, I think it's a good setup, but don't let my job fool you. I'm a bailiff, not a high speed operator, lol. |
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Post by unistat76 on Jun 4, 2020 23:47:16 GMT
Home defense kits are mostly just excuses to buy toys. What I think matters is the gun you actually carry in public and how good you are with it. Also tourniquets and gauze. But if you're going to invest in all that, might I suggest a go pro camera and your lawyer's business card. Tampons are better than gauze. Shove them in the wound. They are already sterile and absorbent, and available everywhere. The trauma doctors can easily remove them intact. Gauze leaves lots of loose strings that have to be flushed out, and it's far too easy to get dirt and stuff in the wound when trying to seal it with loose gauze wrappings. Don't bother with a store bought tourniquet, you'll never have it when you need it. Use your pocket knife to slice a piece off the clothing of the victim and use that instead. Edit: If the quoted post is sarcasm, please disregard the following: I'm sorry, please understand that no disrespect is intended, but this is bad advice. It is counter to everything I have learned in training and from the medical professionals I know and talk to. TQs are easy to keep with a trauma kit and very important for severe wounds to the extremities. Pressure bandages, wound packing gauze, and hemostatic agents are far superior to tampons. There is no reason to resort to improvised medical gear when quality professional and proven items are readily available. Just as an example, here is a kit that I keep in a small rifle magazine pouch. I sewed a velcro strip to the side to hold the TQ. Open it up and pull the red paracord to dump out the contents.     |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 5, 2020 0:05:15 GMT
Tampons are better than gauze. Shove them in the wound. They are already sterile and absorbent, and available everywhere. The trauma doctors can easily remove them intact. Gauze leaves lots of loose strings that have to be flushed out, and it's far too easy to get dirt and stuff in the wound when trying to seal it with loose gauze wrappings. Don't bother with a store bought tourniquet, you'll never have it when you need it. Use your pocket knife to slice a piece off the clothing of the victim and use that instead. I disagree with some of the above. ANYTHING to stop the bleeding is good. STOP THE BLEEDING, a tampon, warm horse manure whatever, stop the bleeding. There are several excellent products that have been developed that are essential for any effective IFAK that should be carried as part of any combat kit. An Israeli pressure bandage and a Combat Application Tourniquet are very very effective, particularly if you are alone and need to sue them on your own. You should , as I have, practice putting them on yourself unaided and on your partner. Tampons are better than gauze. Shove them in the wound. They are already sterile and absorbent, and available everywhere. The trauma doctors can easily remove them intact. Gauze leaves lots of loose strings that have to be flushed out, and it's far too easy to get dirt and stuff in the wound when trying to seal it with loose gauze wrappings. Don't bother with a store bought tourniquet, you'll never have it when you need it. Use your pocket knife to slice a piece off the clothing of the victim and use that instead. Edit: If the quoted post is sarcasm, please disregard the following: I'm sorry, please understand that no disrespect is intended, but this is bad advice. It is counter to everything I have learned in training and from the medical professionals I know and talk to. TQs are easy to keep with a trauma kit and very important for severe wounds to the extremities. Pressure bandages, wound packing gauze, and hemostatic agents are far superior to tampons. There is no reason to resort to improvised medical gear when quality professional and proven items are readily available. Just as an example, here is a kit that I keep in a small rifle magazine pouch. I sewed a velcro strip to the side to hold the TQ. Open it up and pull the red paracord to dump out the contents. ^^^^ Exactly right |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 0:14:14 GMT
Break into my home and find out. The best defense is not letting anybody know what expect. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  |
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 5, 2020 0:42:27 GMT
Unless you carry your trauma kit everywhere with you at all times, chances are you won't have it when you need it. If somebody is in need of emergency medical care, you will have to go home and get your stuff. Or you could find the the first woman you see and borrow a tampon. We used tampons in the Army. I went through 6 combat deployments in my career. They work, trust me, they work. Especially for stab or gunshot wounds. You shove the tampon deep in the cavity and it stops the bleeding almost instantly. Bad advice or not, it's saved a lot of lives on the battlefield.
Naturally, having medical grade stuff is preferable. Even more preferable is to not get injured in the first place. Just keep your options open....
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Post by unistat76 on Jun 5, 2020 0:56:13 GMT
Unless you carry your trauma kit everywhere with you at all times, chances are you won't have it when you need it. If somebody is in need of emergency medical care, you will have to go home and get your stuff. Or you could find the the first woman you see and borrow a tampon. We used tampons in the Army. I went through 6 combat deployments in my career. They work, trust me, they work. Especially for stab or gunshot wounds. You shove the tampon deep in the cavity and it stops the bleeding almost instantly. Bad advice or not, it's saved a lot of lives on the battlefield. Naturally, having medical grade stuff is preferable. Even more preferable is to not get injured in the first place. Just keep your options open.... I do carry a trauma kit with me. I carry a gun after all. The trauma kit is next to nothing compared to that. I'm sorry but that combat trauma advice it 30 years out of date. We've come a long way and there is no need to go back. Regardless, this thread is about home defense. Surely we all can keep an approproate trauma kit in our homes and expect to have it at hand when in need. |
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 5, 2020 1:23:13 GMT
Unless you carry your trauma kit everywhere with you at all times, chances are you won't have it when you need it. Uh, yes, and the same applies to guns. I have an ankle sleeve with a z-fold quikclot gauze, a hyfin chest seal, and a tourniquet. It weighs and cost a good bit less than my gun. Anyone who owns more than one pistol but doesn't have medical stuff they can actually carry with it is wrong. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 5, 2020 1:39:11 GMT
Unless you carry your trauma kit everywhere with you at all times, chances are you won't have it when you need it. If somebody is in need of emergency medical care, you will have to go home and get your stuff. Or you could find the the first woman you see and borrow a tampon. We used tampons in the Army. I went through 6 combat deployments in my career. They work, trust me, they work. Especially for stab or gunshot wounds. You shove the tampon deep in the cavity and it stops the bleeding almost instantly. Bad advice or not, it's saved a lot of lives on the battlefield. Naturally, having medical grade stuff is preferable. Even more preferable is to not get injured in the first place. Just keep your options open.... Again, I was taught that you stop the bleeding with ANYTHING available and let the hospital worry about infection etc. A tampon is a perfect field expedient field dressing but anyone who carries a firearm and is properly prepared, carries basic trauma gear to stop bleeding. I have with on my tactical body armor, on my battle belt, in my everyday range bag and in a IFAK in every one of my daily drive vehicles. Unless you carry your trauma kit everywhere with you at all times, chances are you won't have it when you need it. Uh, yes, and the same applies to guns. I have an ankle sleeve with a z-fold quikclot gauze, a hyfin chest seal, and a tourniquet. It weighs and cost a good bit less than my gun. Anyone who owns more than one pistol but doesn't have medical stuff they can actually carry with it is wrong. Yup..... |
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Post by MOK on Jun 5, 2020 19:47:26 GMT
Tampons are better than gauze. Shove them in the wound. They are already sterile and absorbent, and available everywhere. The trauma doctors can easily remove them intact. Gauze leaves lots of loose strings that have to be flushed out, and it's far too easy to get dirt and stuff in the wound when trying to seal it with loose gauze wrappings. Don't bother with a store bought tourniquet, you'll never have it when you need it. Use your pocket knife to slice a piece off the clothing of the victim and use that instead. Using the victims clothing, now that's resourceful. Well, it's already ruined, after all, having at least one hole and a bunch of blood on it. |
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Post by howler on Jun 5, 2020 20:05:24 GMT
Using the victims clothing, now that's resourceful. Well, it's already ruined, after all, having at least one hole and a bunch of blood on it. Yikes, you have a point there, as mingling bad guys blood with yours wont make the breakfast of champions, and probably not enough time or good lighting to determining/vetting clean areas...just where has that bad guy been and what drug/bacteria residue.  |
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Post by strigoil on Jun 5, 2020 21:57:46 GMT
Keeping guns for self defense is tricky business in Norway, you are very likely to get in trouble with the law if you perform harm to a person unless you have absolutely no way of escaping, and even then..
So we find other ways to deter attackers |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 5, 2020 22:11:38 GMT
Well, it's already ruined, after all, having at least one hole and a bunch of blood on it. Yikes, you have a point there, as mingling bad guys blood with yours wont make the breakfast of champions, and probably not enough time or good lighting to determining/vetting clean areas...just where has that bad guy been and what drug/bacteria residue. I have been to several Tactical Casualty Care classes run by a Colonel in the US Army who is a Surgeon and runs the Combat Field Hospital operations for the California National Guard... Current doctrine ist stop the bleeding stop the bleeding stop the bleeding, and said he didnt care how dirty and filthy the wound got in that process. Once the victim is Medi-Vac'd to a hospital they can deal with infection. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 5, 2020 22:12:34 GMT
Keeping guns for self defense is tricky business in Norway, you are very likely to get in trouble with the law if you perform harm to a person unless you have absolutely no way of escaping, and even then..
So we find other ways to deter attackers I have absolutely no response to this post...a first for me.  |
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 5, 2020 23:28:03 GMT
Unless you carry your trauma kit everywhere with you at all times, chances are you won't have it when you need it. If somebody is in need of emergency medical care, you will have to go home and get your stuff. Or you could find the the first woman you see and borrow a tampon. We used tampons in the Army. I went through 6 combat deployments in my career. They work, trust me, they work. Especially for stab or gunshot wounds. You shove the tampon deep in the cavity and it stops the bleeding almost instantly. Bad advice or not, it's saved a lot of lives on the battlefield. Naturally, having medical grade stuff is preferable. Even more preferable is to not get injured in the first place. Just keep your options open.... Tampons are better than rolled plain gauze any day for gunshots and stabs, hell yeah. But now you can get z-folded gauze impregnated with clotting agents that you can pack into an arterial junction bleed. They're $40 each but they're a great improvement. And it's way better than trying to pour celox into a wound. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 5, 2020 23:57:03 GMT
Keeping guns for self defense is tricky business in Norway, you are very likely to get in trouble with the law if you perform harm to a person unless you have absolutely no way of escaping, and even then..
So we find other ways to deter attackers Well someone is a bit of a size-queen aren't they? I do think that's an excellent deterrent for potential home invaders, especially is you come charging out in a gimp suit, and start swinging that horse cock around like Leatherface at the end of TCM. |
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