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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 6, 2020 7:02:49 GMT
I don't take anything personal. Try not to. But everyone is a person 😏. People have a tribe mentality and things can get very highschool click. For example the guy calling me a fraud is because he is in a Facebook group a former friend and training partner is in. And being in JSA you probably have bumped into branch politics or Inter dojo "do as you were taught" mentality. And my split with him was because he wanted to use his rank in one style to legitimize his own curriculum he made that was pretty much a mushroom stamp version of what many batto do schools do with minor tweaks. The problem is the teacher who taught us both was old school and had an old school approach to Combative and Classical sword work. Much more like the old standard of Batto do when it was first coming to the US. And I tend to gravitate towards that. Practical competency rather than slow zen art form performances. Things being what they are we parted ways because he wanted to teach a version of sword work that wasn't the original standard and I had no interest in learning it. There is more to it but it ties into the conversation in the sense that the art is taught often how the tool is sold "just buy what that guy says to". And that's such a narrow view lacking respect for the individual. Sword trends being what they are the modern blades are like modern versions of the challenger, charger, corvette and so on... They are kinda like the originals... But just as different as they are alike. And that just isn't made clear to people. Same with steel hype. How much supposed steel performance data can you find actually proven in use and not just hypothesized on paper? Much of a lot of things in life are like manufacturers claims you see marked on a label as having not been evaluated. So they are just claims not really proven. And there are so many varables in mat type, grade, roll tightness, soak time, stand size ex. Same with bamboo species. Nothing is near as consistent as people think nor proven... But your paying for things often like they are. Again motohara is worth it. You made a good buy in the sense that you get a blade as advertised rather than the China approach when you order it's "I hope I get lucky". But the motohara was over 170 hours of take home pay for me. And those hours were grinding shifts filled with alieve, blisters burst blood vessles... So a lot of swords won't pass that test. Ill review the one i chose wich was only 71 hours of my life.... A far cry from the Motohara... But a gap I can narrow with upgrades later if I want. Something happened last week that sums this up. I was working outside in my cheap $10 rayban knockoffs and a friend at work walks buy in actual wayfarers mocking me. I told him I could never justify $160 on glasses in fear of loss damage or breaking. My friend replies "I gotta have my bans man"... Minutes later I slip on some lose gravel and fall snapping my glasse in half. Laughing I said "See this is why I can't have raybans"... My buddy replies the same "nah I'd have to have new bans"... The old original JSA guys in the US were using cheap gunto from pawn shops. And the Chen blades Didn't start to get decent and reliable until the mid to late 2000s. People don't realize how lucky and spoiled they are to have SBG, KOA, Jason and other vendors. But I can look at posts from 2005 and older and find very much the same behavior with different people. It makes me sad to be honest. I would love to hang out and be sword nerds and talk shop all night with many guys here because every day people at work think me mad for spending the $700 I just spent on a sword... People here go " that's it?" 😂 So we do agree. And even where we don't I still respect you because you get it and made the best informed decision for you. I have a school motto my sifu is scrolling for me in Cantonese "if it works for you it's not wrong". Right is very relative and can be shot full of holes... Calorie counts on anything at the supermarket can be up to 50% off in any direction... Even bullets never chronograph at the advertised speeds due to variables... We all just do our best with what we "know". But thanks for the reply. I appreciate the human moment you afforded me. Sending you a virtual hat tip " The problem is the teacher who taught us both was old school and had an old school approach to Combative and Classical sword work."
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Post by bradc on Feb 6, 2020 7:42:39 GMT
In this area of interest, there is ALWAYS something better. All the best hobbies have unatainable perfection as their goal. Wouldn't it be boring if our first swords were all perfect and there was nothing left to strive for  |
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Post by Richard Arias on Feb 6, 2020 8:03:46 GMT
I don't take anything personal. Try not to. But everyone is a person 😏. People have a tribe mentality and things can get very highschool click. For example the guy calling me a fraud is because he is in a Facebook group a former friend and training partner is in. And being in JSA you probably have bumped into branch politics or Inter dojo "do as you were taught" mentality. And my split with him was because he wanted to use his rank in one style to legitimize his own curriculum he made that was pretty much a mushroom stamp version of what many batto do schools do with minor tweaks. The problem is the teacher who taught us both was old school and had an old school approach to Combative and Classical sword work. Much more like the old standard of Batto do when it was first coming to the US. And I tend to gravitate towards that. Practical competency rather than slow zen art form performances. Things being what they are we parted ways because he wanted to teach a version of sword work that wasn't the original standard and I had no interest in learning it. There is more to it but it ties into the conversation in the sense that the art is taught often how the tool is sold "just buy what that guy says to". And that's such a narrow view lacking respect for the individual. Sword trends being what they are the modern blades are like modern versions of the challenger, charger, corvette and so on... They are kinda like the originals... But just as different as they are alike. And that just isn't made clear to people. Same with steel hype. How much supposed steel performance data can you find actually proven in use and not just hypothesized on paper? Much of a lot of things in life are like manufacturers claims you see marked on a label as having not been evaluated. So they are just claims not really proven. And there are so many varables in mat type, grade, roll tightness, soak time, stand size ex. Same with bamboo species. Nothing is near as consistent as people think nor proven... But your paying for things often like they are. Again motohara is worth it. You made a good buy in the sense that you get a blade as advertised rather than the China approach when you order it's "I hope I get lucky". But the motohara was over 170 hours of take home pay for me. And those hours were grinding shifts filled with alieve, blisters burst blood vessles... So a lot of swords won't pass that test. Ill review the one i chose wich was only 71 hours of my life.... A far cry from the Motohara... But a gap I can narrow with upgrades later if I want. Something happened last week that sums this up. I was working outside in my cheap $10 rayban knockoffs and a friend at work walks buy in actual wayfarers mocking me. I told him I could never justify $160 on glasses in fear of loss damage or breaking. My friend replies "I gotta have my bans man"... Minutes later I slip on some lose gravel and fall snapping my glasse in half. Laughing I said "See this is why I can't have raybans"... My buddy replies the same "nah I'd have to have new bans"... The old original JSA guys in the US were using cheap gunto from pawn shops. And the Chen blades Didn't start to get decent and reliable until the mid to late 2000s. People don't realize how lucky and spoiled they are to have SBG, KOA, Jason and other vendors. But I can look at posts from 2005 and older and find very much the same behavior with different people. It makes me sad to be honest. I would love to hang out and be sword nerds and talk shop all night with many guys here because every day people at work think me mad for spending the $700 I just spent on a sword... People here go " that's it?" 😂 So we do agree. And even where we don't I still respect you because you get it and made the best informed decision for you. I have a school motto my sifu is scrolling for me in Cantonese "if it works for you it's not wrong". Right is very relative and can be shot full of holes... Calorie counts on anything at the supermarket can be up to 50% off in any direction... Even bullets never chronograph at the advertised speeds due to variables... We all just do our best with what we "know". But thanks for the reply. I appreciate the human moment you afforded me. Sending you a virtual hat tip. So I am curious, what JSA did/do you study? Who is/was your Sensei? Dojo? Let's not... Because lineage is a nice thing but trivial. My teachers teacher was a first generation Nakamura Taizaburo student which by 6 degrees of separation makes me a 3rd generation Nakamura student. But just like my Wing Chun training I have spent time in Morinaga Ha toyama and Shinkendo under a few different schools, a few months at a kendo club ex. So I don't have a tunnel view of sword play. Im actually a huge fan of Hema single stick. Wing Chun is the same where I have been in 6 different schools and 5 different branches of the Ip man Line. But I have spent the most time under a Direct student of Ip ching and rank under him... But I do other arts and box... So my use is more like wing chun boxing. So it was not well liked or understood in Hong Kong.... But again I went to 13 schools and most just talked trash about the other. Most of the time having never met or talked to other schools. And they don't know or really care about most schools not in Hong Kong. I imagine in Japan it would be more polite but not dissimilar entirely. To many people just like sword values hide behind a line or name of their teacher. Like a lot of people hide behind handles here and Facebook groups. I have met Koryu swordsman who mock Gendai arts and Nakamura. I have met HEMA guys who mock JSA and vice versa. But it all operates with as many concept similarities as technique differences. People just want ego, validation and "right" not understanding, contentment and acceptance. My original teacher was a Kendo guy first and learned the rest later. But like me he more enjoyed old standards of Batto do that started really changing in the 90s and now a lot more since Nakamura sensei died. But things were simple and more boot camp like. Basic and with intent... Perhaps a dash of muscle or "umph" as he would say. The sword world now is more like target shooting. And I prefer the old point shooting versions of things. Im a sword hipster I guess and wish for the spirit of the self defense age to return to weapons. Sorry I have talked this out so many times with high ranked guys of different lines. It's just pointless. If my line is a scramble... Then then other JSA guys will often say fried eggs are better or rare is the way to eat a steak when I enjoy medium well. It's all arbitrary because well... People 😉 |
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 6, 2020 8:14:37 GMT
"The problem is the teacher who taught us both was old school and had an old school approach to Combative and Classical sword work."So I am curious, what JSA did/do you study? Who is/was your Sensei? Dojo? Let's not... Because lineage is a nice thing but trivial. My teachers teacher was a first generation Nakamura Taizaburo student which by 6 degrees of separation makes me a 3rd generation Nakamura student. But just like my Wing Chun training I have spent time in Morinaga Ha toyama and Shinkendo under a few different schools, a few months at a kendo club ex. So I don't have a tunnel view of sword play. Im actually a huge fan of Hema single stick. Wing Chun is the same where I have been in 6 different schools and 5 different branches of the Ip man Line. But I have spent the most time under a Direct student of Ip ching and rank under him... But I do other arts and box... So my use is more like wing chun boxing. So it was not well liked or understood in Hong Kong.... But again I went to 13 schools and most just talked trash about the other. Most of the time having never met or talked to other schools. And they don't know or really care about most schools not in Hong Kong. I imagine in Japan it would be more polite but not dissimilar entirely. To many people just like sword values hide behind a line or name of their teacher. Like a lot of people hide behind handles here and Facebook groups. I have met Koryu swordsman who mock Gendai arts and Nakamura. I have met HEMA guys who mock JSA and vice versa. But it all operates with as many concept similarities as technique differences. People just want ego, validation and "right" not understanding, contentment and acceptance. My original teacher was a Kendo guy first and learned the rest later. But like me he more enjoyed old standards of Batto do that started really changing in the 90s and now a lot more since Nakamura sensei died. But things were simple and more boot camp like. Basic and with intent... Perhaps a dash of muscle or "umph" as he would say. The sword world now is more like target shooting. And I prefer the old point shooting versions of things. Im a sword hipster I guess and wish for the spirit of the self defense age to return to weapons. Sorry I have talked this out so many times with high ranked guys of different lines. It's just pointless. If my line is a scramble... Then then other JSA guys will often say fried eggs are better or rare is the way to eat a steak when I enjoy medium well. It's all arbitrary because well... People 😉 LMAO...So no creds? I simply asked What JSA you studied, under which Sensei and what dojo...All requiring simple succinct answers and you dodged every one with what clearly is your particular brand of deflection. Back on Nov 23, 2017 @ 1014hrs you said in this forum; "Actually no Rising Sun Karate in Arizona is a different dojo. But your response says everything. I hope now people will realize your like the millions of social media trolls. A whole lot of talk but no action. I actually train in 3 different dojo currently. You? Oh yeah the Google and YouTube dojo."
Back on Nov. 25, 2017 @ 1035 hrs you said in this forum; "Yes Dan Grade students wear Hakama. But how would you know. Your a guy who is just a member of some Facebook sword group. But totally feeling confident in giving opinion in things you have no proof of experience or training in. Try actually doing something instead of pretending you do things."Where is YOUR proof of "experience and training"? You have added great credence to maewyn's claim that you are a fraud.  |
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Post by loveofswords on Feb 6, 2020 8:43:01 GMT
Let's not... Because lineage is a nice thing but trivial. My teachers teacher was a first generation Nakamura Taizaburo student which by 6 degrees of separation makes me a 3rd generation Nakamura student. But just like my Wing Chun training I have spent time in Morinaga Ha toyama and Shinkendo under a few different schools, a few months at a kendo club ex. So I don't have a tunnel view of sword play. Im actually a huge fan of Hema single stick. Wing Chun is the same where I have been in 6 different schools and 5 different branches of the Ip man Line. But I have spent the most time under a Direct student of Ip ching and rank under him... But I do other arts and box... So my use is more like wing chun boxing. So it was not well liked or understood in Hong Kong.... But again I went to 13 schools and most just talked trash about the other. Most of the time having never met or talked to other schools. And they don't know or really care about most schools not in Hong Kong. I imagine in Japan it would be more polite but not dissimilar entirely. To many people just like sword values hide behind a line or name of their teacher. Like a lot of people hide behind handles here and Facebook groups. I have met Koryu swordsman who mock Gendai arts and Nakamura. I have met HEMA guys who mock JSA and vice versa. But it all operates with as many concept similarities as technique differences. People just want ego, validation and "right" not understanding, contentment and acceptance. My original teacher was a Kendo guy first and learned the rest later. But like me he more enjoyed old standards of Batto do that started really changing in the 90s and now a lot more since Nakamura sensei died. But things were simple and more boot camp like. Basic and with intent... Perhaps a dash of muscle or "umph" as he would say. The sword world now is more like target shooting. And I prefer the old point shooting versions of things. Im a sword hipster I guess and wish for the spirit of the self defense age to return to weapons. Sorry I have talked this out so many times with high ranked guys of different lines. It's just pointless. If my line is a scramble... Then then other JSA guys will often say fried eggs are better or rare is the way to eat a steak when I enjoy medium well. It's all arbitrary because well... People 😉 LMAO...So no creds? I simply asked What JSA you studied, under which Sensei and what dojo...All requiring simple succinct answers and you dodged every one with what clearly is your particular brand of deflection. Back on Nov 23, 2017 @ 1014hrs you said in this forum; "Actually no Rising Sun Karate in Arizona is a different dojo. But your response says everything. I hope now people will realize your like the millions of social media trolls. A whole lot of talk but no action. I actually train in 3 different dojo currently. You? Oh yeah the Google and YouTube dojo."
Back on Nov. 25, 2017 @ 1035 hrs you said in this forum; "Yes Dan Grade students wear Hakama. But how would you know. Your a guy who is just a member of some Facebook sword group. But totally feeling confident in giving opinion in things you have no proof of experience or training in. Try actually doing something instead of pretending you do things."Where is YOUR proof of "experience and training"? You have added great credence to maewyn's claim that you are a fraud. I have heard from other sources that he has been kicked out/banned from his previous dojos and that the situation he created was toxic to that dojo. |
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Post by Richard Arias on Feb 6, 2020 8:43:32 GMT
Mods please delete my non sword posts. Not interested in worms or flames. The it crowd is just proving my point. Any disagreement is argument and personal attacks. Typical
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 6, 2020 8:44:52 GMT
Mods please delete my non sword posts. Not interested in worms or flames. The it crowd is just proving my point. Any disagreement is argument and personal attacks. Typical Still no creds...just a lot of BS that you are now trying to run away from... Hopefully the Mods will not let you. All you need to do is step up and name the JSA's you have studied, your Sensei and dojo's? I studied Meishi-Ha Mugai Ryu Iaihyodo, Toyama Ryu Batto Jutsu and the seitei curriculum of the Zen Nihon Batto Do Renmei under Tony "Big Tony" Alvarez Sensei of Senpokan Dojo. I am ranked in all three.See.. its that easy. |
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Post by MOK on Feb 6, 2020 8:50:07 GMT
Lord Newport, loveofswords, mind your manners! Don't make things personal, don't drag in drama from off the forums, and don't make serious accusations like frigging fraud unless you can show they're true. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.
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Post by Richard Arias on Feb 6, 2020 8:50:09 GMT
Mods please delete my non sword posts. Not interested in worms or flames. The it crowd is just proving my point. Any disagreement is argument and personal attacks. Typical Still no creds...just a lot of BS that you are now trying to run away from... Hopefully the Mods will not let you. Right says the avatar with a fake name. Another in the know poster not aware of over 10 years of politics and history. As I said even if I post certs it won't end trash talk. Nobody wins a fight. You haven't learned it. Neither has the trusted guy who just sent me a mean message. Yuck. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 6, 2020 8:53:24 GMT
Still no creds...just a lot of BS that you are now trying to run away from... Hopefully the Mods will not let you. Right says the avatar with a fake name. Another in the know poster not aware of over 10 years of politics and history. As I said even if I post certs it won't end trash talk. Nobody wins a fight. You haven't learned it. Neither has the trusted guy who just sent me a mean message. Yuck. LMAO...still no creds and all the talk. Inquiring minds want to know the basis of all this expertise you claim to have. That's not a fight. Initially it was short, simple and legitimate question of someone putting himself out there as an accomplished and ranked JSA practitioner. You have the audacity to make the comment above? After saying this to someone in this forum three years ago... "Yes Dan Grade students wear Hakama. But how would you know. Your a guy who is just a member of some Facebook sword group. But totally feeling confident in giving opinion in things you have no proof of experience or training in. Try actually doing something instead of pretending you do things."Whats good for the goose is certainly good for the gander... |
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 6, 2020 8:56:01 GMT
Lord Newport , loveofswords , mind your manners! Don't make things personal, don't drag in drama from off the forums, and don't make serious accusations like frigging fraud unless you can show they're true. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. I am not making this personal, I am not dragging any drama in from outside the forum.. I am asking this guy what his background is to justify all the "expertise" and catty commentary he is sharing with people here. Asking him for is credentials is not unreasonable and would only be "personal" if he is a fraud...He has repeatedly claimed JSA expertise, rank and experience with which he regularly beats down other forum members who have no experience and dont know any better than to accept what he is saying. That's not fair. It is my contention that he is a troll and a bully here. I say that having scrolled rolled back thru three years of his posts...just to try and see who he is and his background. Anyone who is in the JSA community should have no problem stating their credentials.. I did. I competed at the Tai Kai's this guy claims to have been a spectator in,. I helped organize and run one of them. I have personal relationships with several of the Sensei he has referenced. Forum Member Edelweiss made a comment to him three years ago reminding him of the bad ending the time he trolled Keith Larman commenting over at SFI, someone I knew personally and who died just over a week ago. |
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Post by reptaronice1 on Feb 6, 2020 8:57:19 GMT
Lord Newport , loveofswords , mind your manners! Don't make things personal, don't drag in drama from off the forums, and don't make serious accusations like frigging fraud unless you can show they're true. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. I am not making this personal, I am not dragging any drama in from the forums.. I am asking this guy what is background is to justify all the "expertise" and catty commentary is is sharing with people here. Asking him for is credentials is not unreasonable and would only be "personal" if he is a fraud... Anyone who is in the JSA community should have no problem stating their credentials.. I did. That’s one of the reasons I sorta kinda dislike dojo’s. People seem to argue over them and for what. |
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Post by loveofswords on Feb 6, 2020 8:59:06 GMT
Lord Newport, loveofswords, mind your manners! Don't make things personal, don't drag in drama from off the forums, and don't make serious accusations like frigging fraud unless you can show they're true. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. Sorry , just relaying information from outside sources such as the sensei from his dojo. |
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Post by Richard Arias on Feb 6, 2020 9:34:09 GMT
Lord Newport , loveofswords , mind your manners! Don't make things personal, don't drag in drama from off the forums, and don't make serious accusations like frigging fraud unless you can show they're true. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. Sorry , just relaying information from outside sources such as the sensei from his dojo. Ah well should I relay his meth use and having no teeth? Him trying to sleep with two of his students and having both leave and 1 come back supposedly? Should I relay the fact that his ex wife and kids shunned him for drug use and abuse? Should I talk about the fact that he only has his sword because I bought it back because he sold it for meth money? Should I talk about hundreds of dollars owed to me stolen by my "sensei"? And like the other minions he has you to thank for those details being public. Im sorry. Im tired of you Facebook group minions who have no idea of 13 years of history. John Pope never met my teacher nor has Josh (Frank the Bunny). Facebook buddies banning together to smear me because it makes them feel legitimate calling me the kettle. If I am they are still the pot. It's why people would agree to disagree. Mods im sorry. But pms and public attacks are getting rough. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 6, 2020 9:42:55 GMT
Sorry , just relaying information from outside sources such as the sensei from his dojo. Ah well should I relay his meth use and having no teeth? Him trying to sleep with two of his students and having both leave and 1 come back supposedly? Should I relay the fact that his ex wife and kids shunned him for drug use and abuse? Should I talk about the fact that he only has his sword because I bought it back because he sold it for meth money? Should I talk about hundreds of dollars owed to me stolen by my "sensei"? And like the other minions he has you to thank for those details being public. Im sorry. Im tired of you Facebook group minions who have no idea of 13 years of history. John Pope never met my teacher nor has Josh (Frank the Bunny). Facebook buddies banning together to smear me because it makes them feel legitimate calling me the kettle. If I am they are still the pot. It's why people would agree to disagree. Mods im sorry. But pms and public attacks are getting rough. All I can say is WOW.... |
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Post by MOK on Feb 6, 2020 9:50:24 GMT
Well, this turned to nothing but trash talk in a hurry. It's a damn shame, but I'm locking the thread for now; we'll discuss backstage what else, if anything, will be done.
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Post by MOK on Feb 7, 2020 8:36:49 GMT
Ah well should I relay his meth use and having no teeth? Him trying to sleep with two of his students and having both leave and 1 come back supposedly? Should I relay the fact that his ex wife and kids shunned him for drug use and abuse? Should I talk about the fact that he only has his sword because I bought it back because he sold it for meth money? Should I talk about hundreds of dollars owed to me stolen by my "sensei"? And like the other minions he has you to thank for those details being public. Im sorry. Im tired of you Facebook group minions who have no idea of 13 years of history. John Pope never met my teacher nor has Josh (Frank the Bunny). Facebook buddies banning together to smear me because it makes them feel legitimate calling me the kettle. If I am they are still the pot. It's why people would agree to disagree. Mods im sorry. But pms and public attacks are getting rough. After receiving further information and reviewing your older posts, it's become clear who you're talking about, and also that you're demonstrably flat out lying. In light of such serious slander and the rest of your posting history here, we've decided this merits a permanent ban from the SBG forum. Goodbye. |
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