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Post by shepherd214 on Feb 3, 2020 2:57:49 GMT
Oh, really? Hell, we didnt know anything about that! What would we all be doing without you? *sarcasm off* Yes maybe true with the newbis; but here are lots of makers, modders and long time collectors as well. Yes, my comments were directed with all the newbies in mind who know little about the industry and are taken advantage of right and left, focusing on representations about steel and hamon's without knowing far more goes into making a real sword/weapon. They usually find out after their money is gone and they have a POS blade they may hurt themselves with or they more typically paid far more than its worth.. Right but the point a few of us are making is that Huawei isnt your typical ebay seller that scams and sends subpar products and is the best in their price range, and generally ebay protects you anyways if its within their 90 day window or whatever. Forge Direct comes from Longquan and is susceptible to the same typical Longquan issues as other longquan brands. I received a st nihonto once that wasnt sharpened the last 3 inches of the blade on the kissaki and I got a 2/3 of a refund through ebay and sold the sword 3rd party and got all my money back. Does forge direct do this? Maybe idk, buy I have thr ebay guarantee so thats something and I dont even have to send the sword back. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 3, 2020 3:32:15 GMT
Yes, my comments were directed with all the newbies in mind who know little about the industry and are taken advantage of right and left, focusing on representations about steel and hamon's without knowing far more goes into making a real sword/weapon. They usually find out after their money is gone and they have a POS blade they may hurt themselves with or they more typically paid far more than its worth.. . I received a st nihonto once ... I have no idea what an "ST Nihonto" is (link??) but you are aware I hope, that a sword can not be called a Nihonto unless it is made in Japan by a Japanese sword smith in the traditional Japanese manner using Tamahagane. Anything else is a Japanese style sword. |
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Post by pvsampson on Feb 3, 2020 4:20:06 GMT
. I received a st nihonto once ... I have no idea what an "ST Nihonto" is (link??) but you are aware I hope, that a sword can not be called a Nihonto unless it is made in Japan by a Japanese sword smith in the traditional Japanese manner using Tamahagane. Anything else is a Japanese style sword. Both a Nihonto and a sharp Japanese style sword can be correctly called a shinkin. Lonquan retailer. www.ebay.com/str/stnihonto |
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 3, 2020 4:55:45 GMT
I have no idea what an "ST Nihonto" is (link??) but you are aware I hope, that a sword can not be called a Nihonto unless it is made in Japan by a Japanese sword smith in the traditional Japanese manner using Tamahagane. Anything else is a Japanese style sword. Both a Nihonto and a sharp Japanese style sword can be correctly called a shinkin. Lonquan retailer. www.ebay.com/str/stnihontoThank you for the link. So its a chinese retailer using nihonto in its name even though nothing it has or ever will sell is a nihonto...   |
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Post by Cottontail Customs on Feb 3, 2020 5:56:48 GMT
Thank you for the link. So its a chinese retailer using nihonto in its name even though nothing it has or ever will sell is a nihonto... it's one of the better known names in production katana for many years. it's also just a name, like Burger King (not really a king or even the king of burgers), Best Buy (not really the best buy most of the time), Jade Palace (just regular Chinese take out, not a palace), Amazon (not really a jungle)... you get the point. The Chinese have been forging blades for longer than most and there are plenty of qualified, talented smiths and craftsmen in Longquan that produce high quality, yet not authentic Japanese, katana. millions of people have been using non Japanese katana for collecting, iaido, tameshigiri, both in the dojo and in backyards, for many years and most have come from China. take a look at many of the sword model names and you will also see historical and traditional Japanese terms and names used but just because a modern made Chinese katana is called the Masamune doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to trick someone into thinking it's authentic. not for $250 with free shipping, at least. and if you did fall for that... I have a bridge...  |
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Post by jackytheblade on Feb 3, 2020 6:13:23 GMT
Thank you for the link. So its a chinese retailer using nihonto in its name even though nothing it has or ever will sell is a nihonto... it's one of the better known names in production katana for many years. it's also just a name, like Burger King (not really a king or even the king of burgers), Best Buy (not really the best buy most of the time), Jade Palace (just regular Chinese take out, not a palace), Amazon (not really a jungle)... you get the point. The Chinese have been forging blades for longer than most and there are plenty of qualified, talented smiths and craftsmen in Longquan that produce high quality, yet not authentic Japanese, katana. millions of people have been using non Japanese katana for collecting, iaido, tameshigiri, both in the dojo and in backyards, for many years and most have come from China. take a look at many of the sword model names and you will also see historical and traditional Japanese terms and names used but just because a modern made Chinese katana is called the Masamune doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to trick someone into thinking it's authentic. not for $250 with free shipping, at least. and if you did fall for that... I have a bridge... I am so glad you said it...lol!! |
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 3, 2020 6:49:02 GMT
Thank you for the link. So its a chinese retailer using nihonto in its name even though nothing it has or ever will sell is a nihonto... ... I have a bridge... Sorry.. already have one...Bought it from someone in Nigeria last week with the profits from "prosecuting a business transaction of high net value requiring maximum confidentiality.”  |
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Feb 3, 2020 7:12:15 GMT
once again, self-smelt-steel is not equal to tamahagane really. There are European smiths smelting their own steels and wouldn't not brand it as "tamahagane". Using this term implies "Japanese traditional steels". Japanese is they KEY here.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 3, 2020 7:24:25 GMT
I sell an Albion Munich with a tamahagane blade for just $ 1500!
But it's made by Windlass, looks like a cutlass and the steel is 1060 renamed by myself (no one call me a liar!).
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Post by treeslicer on Feb 3, 2020 7:59:16 GMT
I sell an Albion Munich with a tamahagane blade for just $ 1500! But it's made by Windlass, looks like a cutlass and the steel is 1060 renamed by myself (no one call me a liar!). Everybody here knows you aren't a liar. You're delusional. Big difference.  |
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 3, 2020 8:02:46 GMT
I sell an Albion Munich with a tamahagane blade for just $ 1500! But it's made by Windlass, looks like a cutlass and the steel is 1060 renamed by myself (no one call me a liar!).  |
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Post by amstel78 on Feb 3, 2020 8:23:12 GMT
Now I'm confused. I just read through the last 6 pages as I was interested in ordering a custom shinken from Jkoo/Sinosword. So what is the overall assessment of JKoo? Good? Bad? Everything I've read up until I saw this thread said they were good-to-go. Now, I'm not sure if dropping $400-500 on them is a wise move.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Feb 3, 2020 8:36:25 GMT
Yeah another term restricted for Japanese made swords... shinken....
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Post by amstel78 on Feb 3, 2020 8:43:38 GMT
Yeah another term restricted for Japanese made swords... shinken.... I use the term loosely; at my dojo, we refer to anything with a sharp edge as shinken. Doesn't matter if it's nihonto or a Chinese-made Japanese-style sword. We also loosely refer to anything with a dull edge as Iaito, even though we all know real Iaito aren't made from steel.
That said, is it worth taking a gamble on a custom "shinken" from JKoo? Having serious doubts about that now...
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Post by Dandelion on Feb 3, 2020 8:51:49 GMT
Yeah another term restricted for Japanese made swords... shinken.... I use the term loosely; at my dojo, we refer to anything with a sharp edge as shinken. Doesn't matter if it's nihonto or a Chinese-made Japanese-style sword. We also loosely refer to anything with a dull edge as Iaito, even though we all know real Iaito aren't made from steel.
That said, is it worth taking a gamble on a custom "shinken" from JKoo? Having serious doubts about that now...
From my experience: if you will by off-the-shelf- stuff; you should be OK. For customs: there have been problems, but well executed orders also. At this time we own three of their swords, from 99 USD sal sword up to 300 USD level; we are happy with them. But Huawei has definitely better finish in fine details (habaki fit, scabbard fit etc.). |
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Post by amstel78 on Feb 3, 2020 14:32:09 GMT
I use the term loosely; at my dojo, we refer to anything with a sharp edge as shinken. Doesn't matter if it's nihonto or a Chinese-made Japanese-style sword. We also loosely refer to anything with a dull edge as Iaito, even though we all know real Iaito aren't made from steel.
That said, is it worth taking a gamble on a custom "shinken" from JKoo? Having serious doubts about that now...
From my experience: if you will by off-the-shelf- stuff; you should be OK. For customs: there have been problems, but well executed orders also. At this time we own three of their swords, from 99 USD sal sword up to 300 USD level; we are happy with them. But Huawei has definitely better finish in fine details (habaki fit, scabbard fit etc.). I was thinking of something a little more custon; sanmai lamination, folded, double-hi, and Tsuka-ito wrapped with hishigami. I was intending this sword for presentation/display but could also do well for Toyama-ryu kata practice or the occasional backyard tameshigiri or pool noodle. According to Jkoo who wrote me this morning, they use T10 for the edge and 1095 for the side panels. A little odd choice of steels if you ask me considering T10 and 1095 are relatively similar in terms of chemical composition (except T10 has a minute amount of silicone and wolfsram in it). That combination throws a bit of a red flag in the air for me. Despite my concern, Van Yang (Mr?) said not to worry about it... 
But I digress; most of the reviews I've read or watched, including one from Matthew Jensen which features a sanmai laminated blade, seem positive overall. My expectations are in line with the price. I know what I'm ordering should be commensurate with the price. I'm not hoping for $10k nihonto quality out of a $500 sword. I just want to know if the blades are actually laminated correctly, heat treated correctly, and the tsuka is properly and tightly wrapped. By speaking to others who actually own JKoo swords, I was hopinng to find the truth somewhere in the middle. I know full well that whatever questions I send to Lonquan will always be answered positively... so I take everything with a grain of salt.
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Post by sacredcompass on Feb 3, 2020 17:19:19 GMT
From my experience: if you will by off-the-shelf- stuff; you should be OK. For customs: there have been problems, but well executed orders also. At this time we own three of their swords, from 99 USD sal sword up to 300 USD level; we are happy with them. But Huawei has definitely better finish in fine details (habaki fit, scabbard fit etc.). I was thinking of something a little more custon; sanmai lamination, folded, double-hi, and Tsuka-ito wrapped with hishigami. I was intending this sword for presentation/display but could also do well for Toyama-ryu kata practice or the occasional backyard tameshigiri or pool noodle. According to Jkoo who wrote me this morning, they use T10 for the edge and 1095 for the side panels. A little odd choice of steels if you ask me considering T10 and 1095 are relatively similar in terms of chemical composition (except T10 has a minute amount of silicone and wolfsram in it). That combination throws a bit of a red flag in the air for me. Despite my concern, Van Yang (Mr?) said not to worry about it...
But I digress; most of the reviews I've read or watched, including one from Matthew Jensen which features a sanmai laminated blade, seem positive overall. My expectations are in line with the price. I know what I'm ordering should be commensurate with the price. I'm not hoping for $10k nihonto quality out of a $500 sword. I just want to know if the blades are actually laminated correctly, heat treated correctly, and the tsuka is properly and tightly wrapped. By speaking to others who actually own JKoo swords, I was hopinng to find the truth somewhere in the middle. I know full well that whatever questions I send to Lonquan will always be answered positively... so I take everything with a grain of salt.
Guess we'll know in about 2 months from now, from the email I got back it seems they need to halt productions temporarily because of the current medical crisis. |
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Post by amstel78 on Feb 3, 2020 17:22:56 GMT
I was thinking of something a little more custon; sanmai lamination, folded, double-hi, and Tsuka-ito wrapped with hishigami. I was intending this sword for presentation/display but could also do well for Toyama-ryu kata practice or the occasional backyard tameshigiri or pool noodle. According to Jkoo who wrote me this morning, they use T10 for the edge and 1095 for the side panels. A little odd choice of steels if you ask me considering T10 and 1095 are relatively similar in terms of chemical composition (except T10 has a minute amount of silicone and wolfsram in it). That combination throws a bit of a red flag in the air for me. Despite my concern, Van Yang (Mr?) said not to worry about it...
But I digress; most of the reviews I've read or watched, including one from Matthew Jensen which features a sanmai laminated blade, seem positive overall. My expectations are in line with the price. I know what I'm ordering should be commensurate with the price. I'm not hoping for $10k nihonto quality out of a $500 sword. I just want to know if the blades are actually laminated correctly, heat treated correctly, and the tsuka is properly and tightly wrapped. By speaking to others who actually own JKoo swords, I was hopinng to find the truth somewhere in the middle. I know full well that whatever questions I send to Lonquan will always be answered positively... so I take everything with a grain of salt.
Guess we'll know in about 2 months from now, from the email I got back it seems they need to halt productions temporarily because of the current medical crisis. I was told by JKoo this morning that lead time was about 2 months also. |
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Post by jyamada on Feb 3, 2020 18:20:13 GMT
From my experience: if you will by off-the-shelf- stuff; you should be OK. For customs: there have been problems, but well executed orders also. At this time we own three of their swords, from 99 USD sal sword up to 300 USD level; we are happy with them. But Huawei has definitely better finish in fine details (habaki fit, scabbard fit etc.). I was thinking of something a little more custon; sanmai lamination, folded, double-hi, and Tsuka-ito wrapped with hishigami. I was intending this sword for presentation/display but could also do well for Toyama-ryu kata practice or the occasional backyard tameshigiri or pool noodle. According to Jkoo who wrote me this morning, they use T10 for the edge and 1095 for the side panels. A little odd choice of steels if you ask me considering T10 and 1095 are relatively similar in terms of chemical composition (except T10 has a minute amount of silicone and wolfsram in it). That combination throws a bit of a red flag in the air for me. Despite my concern, Van Yang (Mr?) said not to worry about it...
But I digress; most of the reviews I've read or watched, including one from Matthew Jensen which features a sanmai laminated blade, seem positive overall. My expectations are in line with the price. I know what I'm ordering should be commensurate with the price. I'm not hoping for $10k nihonto quality out of a $500 sword. I just want to know if the blades are actually laminated correctly, heat treated correctly, and the tsuka is properly and tightly wrapped. By speaking to others who actually own JKoo swords, I was hopinng to find the truth somewhere in the middle. I know full well that whatever questions I send to Lonquan will always be answered positively... so I take everything with a grain of salt.
Why do you want a laminated blade? Aesthetics? For function, it won't have any advantage over a monosteel DH, and in the $500 price point, a laminated blade (if it's really laminated) just increases risks for structural defects. Same with the cheap folded stuff, no structural benefit, just more defect-risks. If you're a Toyama Ryu practitioner, best to ask your sensei and sempai what to buy for actual usage. |
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Post by amstel78 on Feb 3, 2020 18:27:27 GMT
Why do you want a laminated blade? Aesthetics? For function, it won't have any advantage over a monosteel DH, and in the $500 price point, a laminated blade (if it's really laminated) just increases risks for structural defects. Same with the cheap folded stuff, no structural benefit, just more defect-risks. If you're a Toyama Ryu practitioner, best to ask your sensei and sempai what to buy for actual usage. Yes, just purely aesthetics as I like the hada on a laminated/folded blade. I already have a DH mono-steel T10. I would only use a laminated blade for light tameshigiri, pool noodles, etc. I'd like to think of this sword as more of a wall hanger that can be used to cut from time to time. The review of a JKoo laminated blade by Matthew Jensen showed the blade as being strong enough for most uses. It only failed during severe destruction testing. Again though, his was a sample size of 1. It'd be nice to hear from other JKoo owners with sanmai laminated blades.
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