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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 3:26:43 GMT
So unless I misunderstand what field service means - the scots used the cross guard for fighting and the basket for dress? I believe so. There are some other buried articles I recall and will attempt to summon one up. The British regulation stuff I typically leave to those with the texts but a fair amount comes from just exposure after reading at SFI for so many years. What was that fellow's name hmmmmmm..........zzzZZZzzzzz, Busch?...... old front page stuff from 20 years ago SFI magazine articles. I'll find it. The Sons of Scotland issue with the Braveheart stuff, etc. Off to archive.org. Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 3:36:27 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 30, 2019 6:15:58 GMT
Woaaah... that's sure a shocker. So instead of just modifying the guard they swapped over to a simply hilt.
Thanks for the info.
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Post by Spathologist on Sept 6, 2019 1:20:54 GMT
Third picture down, and fourth from the right in the lineup...what is that? I really like it, whatever it is!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 1:51:22 GMT
Third picture down, and fourth from the right in the lineup...what is that? I really like it, whatever it is! From that spread? The slotted hilt was my first spadroon and it is marked to George III. Date speculation when it arrived ranged from the 1780s to 1810 or so but David Critchley pointed out that the image of an officer that was etched depicts a 1780s uniform. It is one that would have had the sheet silver or copper on the grip. Quite a stout hilt. So quite British and possible German made but the etch is definitely George Rex and 18th century. It had come from a Maine dealer. Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 2:04:40 GMT
Gorgeous hilt. Reminds me a bit of the Oliver Cromwell sword.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 6, 2019 17:38:49 GMT
Thanks Edelweiss that was most informative and answered many of my questions concerning Scottish basket hilts and scabbards. I have bookmarked the link.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 19:04:10 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Sept 11, 2019 13:02:11 GMT
I love the spadroon in general, but this here, I hope, better not be the way spadroon tangs were laid out. I never saw a spadroon tang until yesterday when I found this. The blade was made by one of the better Solingen forges to booth. Looks more like a made in China rat tail. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 13:25:09 GMT
Seems about right. It is why I regard those with backstraps as better fighting swords withstanding a blow. Skinnier examples of blades better suited to thrusting are not so much an issue. I think a lot of folk would be surprised at how slight tangs are on many examples of swords afoot and even some cavalry behemoths.
Swords meant for chance encounter and dress don't need to be exceptionally stout in build and the stronger the hilt, even without a backstrap, the less likely to bend a tang but we see a good many that do bend from a blow.
That looks like a fairly narrow blade to begin with.
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Post by traceb131 on Aug 25, 2020 18:09:33 GMT
Then ponder the Ames Model 1840 NCO sword. I'd argue it was actually a pretty good spadroon.
This the sword you're talking about? Matt has a rather dim view of it, but I am wondering if it could be reprofiled a bit. I found a wiki article on it and the contemporary view was that it was hilt heavy and clunky.
The ames 1840 NCO from Windlass ,can be found on Atlanta cutlery and swords direct
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Post by zandken on Aug 29, 2020 0:54:23 GMT
Hi Edelweiss. Can I ask what kind of saber that is in the first image, 5th sword from the right? It's very cool, with a wicked curve! Thank you. Ken Third picture down, and fourth from the right in the lineup...what is that? I really like it, whatever it is! From that spread? The slotted hilt was my first spadroon and it is marked to George III. Date speculation when it arrived ranged from the 1780s to 1810 or so but David Critchley pointed out that the image of an officer that was etched depicts a 1780s uniform. It is one that would have had the sheet silver or copper on the grip. Quite a stout hilt. So quite British and possible German made but the etch is definitely George Rex and 18th century. It had come from a Maine dealer. Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 4:04:13 GMT
Welcome aboard Ken, The sabre is mid 18th century and the id from the curator of the Higgins Armory (Forgeng) is that it was possibly Swedish use. Etched on both sides by the Wundes family of makers. Cheers GC
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Post by pellius on Aug 29, 2020 4:55:38 GMT
Wow, has it been a year already? Great thread with outstanding info and photos! Thank esp. to edelweiss. Cheers.
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Post by zandken on Aug 29, 2020 18:19:05 GMT
Thank you Edelweiss, I'm happy to be here! And thanks also for the info about this fine and interesting saber of yours...really neat it was able to be id'd. Ken Welcome aboard Ken, The sabre is mid 18th century and the id from the curator of the Higgins Armory (Forgeng) is that it was possibly Swedish use. Etched on both sides by the Wundes family of makers. Cheers GC
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