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Post by zabazagobo on Aug 5, 2019 8:58:49 GMT
Zabazia Gobius on Facebook. Probably off of this site entirely soon. We'll see! Depends on how the Mods decide to handle my friend Holg's situation, but I'm not on this site if he isn't. Plain and simple.
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Post by strigoil on Aug 5, 2019 9:52:21 GMT
He's not even banned or anything is he?
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Post by zabazagobo on Aug 5, 2019 9:57:50 GMT
He's not even banned or anything is he? According to the mods he is. Ask them.Wouldn't make this thread otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 10:03:33 GMT
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Post by strigoil on Aug 5, 2019 10:08:41 GMT
He's not even banned or anything is he? According to the mods he is. Ask them.Wouldn't make this thread otherwise. Interesting, saw him post a few times after the fated topic, not seeing any banned tag on his profile..So figured he wasn't.
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Post by strigoil on Aug 5, 2019 10:15:14 GMT
Ah right, I was just looking through All Swords II on FB and see he semprini talked SBG -again- after getting himself in trouble, and then got himself banned over there as well for the exact same topic that got him in trouble here.
I've tried to talk to him about his tantrums and stuff before but he can't help himself, I haven't seen anywhere he goes where he doesn't get into a fight, it's a big shame but eventually it becomes too much hassle for mods so I understand if they ban him.
It's a shame, he brings a lot of good when he can keep his behavior in check
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 5, 2019 16:15:43 GMT
Before I make the post I'll go ahead and say I'll gladly take whatever lumps get doled out to me from this post.
Well, it's sad to see, but in a way that it's sad that an adult is so unable to control their emotion that people who disagree with them on the internet causes them a mental breakdown, and that they can't even follow simple forum rules.
What Holg has done here would have gotten him banned, already by the first time he made an account and pretended not to be holg.
To put this recent bit of forum drama in perspective with the rest of the world, or even just the U.S., 30 people were killed this weekend, 20 in one WalMart. But, some German guy not being able to handle people and rules disagreeing with him without having a toddler esque temper tantrum is so important!
I know it's hypocritical of me to post this, being upset about internet happenings, but come on.
I'll miss you man, I enjoyed reading and interacting with your posts on here and probably still will on FB.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 5, 2019 16:26:22 GMT
I'm not sure if Holg is just childish, or if he has real mental health issues, but his behavior is moody and erratic at the best of times.
The "immigrant" angle he was carrying on about is disgusting, and absolutely unacceptable.
Whether he is sick, or not, he has to find a better way to interact with other people.
I'm also a bit disheartened to see other community members supporting Holg's xenophobic and bigoted ideas.
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Post by strigoil on Aug 5, 2019 16:31:40 GMT
And immediately you guys bring the politics back into it, is it possible to not? I mean I consider myself grossly opinionated and to have a hard time staying out of politics but damn, this is not the place, if you agree or disagree with Holg or whoever else's political opinion, just don't get involved or comment on it.
And yes, commenting on if you think Holg's or others opinions are bigoted or not is political, it's choosing a side and participating.
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Post by MOK on Aug 5, 2019 16:40:59 GMT
Right, no talking politics, regardless of your views.
And also please no dogpiling on Holg over this in his absence. OK?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 5, 2019 17:07:53 GMT
I don't know that I would consider talking about someone else's talking about politics to be talking about politics, but....
I've said all I intend to say about the matter.
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Post by zabazagobo on Aug 5, 2019 19:25:26 GMT
Yeah, forum politics are bad, m'kay.
We don't talk about them here, m'kay.
Please no politics, m'kay.
As I said, I'm hopping off the forum (not like I've contributed much lately aside from vibes and humor). May be permanent, may be a hiatus, not sure, we'll see. This just really rubbed me the wrong way and I'm off for a fresh beat.
Cheers and take care, y'all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 22:59:29 GMT
I watched usenet groups trying to re-vitalize communities during the mid-late 1990s and the same issues always arise in mixed company. Draw a list of any political or religious aspect and there will in the end be dissent if the topics are discussed. It seems to me zabazagobo actually hoped for discussion. Andi in his thought experiments, others presenting videos; There is active participation and subject matter. What may seem frustrating is a quite small active participation. Plenty of readers but not active posters. That leaves a very few dozen we regularly see post. What's lacking may be that ability to voice opinion on those hot button topics but such an area needs a disclaimer and most boards want nothing to do with them. Facebook similarly, is not a wild wild west. There are global acres of unused usenet boards that could be re-populated and folk rant to their limits of desire. It is probably too much to ask for a no holds barred venue but the Schola board is open to debates www.fioredeiliberi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=9918d4123cdbd01e09a8d2557b7ddb01Matt is open to most topics Bladeforums www.bladeforums.com/A subforum for most and a no holds barred section in their community along with Whine&Cheese for topics like this one The Usual Suspect boards, replete with a troll hole www.usualsuspect.net/forums/index.phpUsenet rec.knives used to be the blade group in the '90s but is now everything a newshound might desire rec.knives.narkive.com/ groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.knives Some form of newsreader (google works) will be needed for usenet groups but most are void of restrictions. So, soapbox away wherever one can but it still appears SBG does not allow everything. It's Paul's bar&grille.
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Post by Cosmoline on Aug 5, 2019 23:17:08 GMT
The rules make a lot of sense, and have helped keep this last sword forum still operational when everything else is FB. I tried to make this point some time back in another "murder in Germany" thread, pointing out that if we're going to start doing this the USA's politics would swamp everything else. We've literally had a serial killer shoot two people in a park right where we were practicing longsword the next day. They were mopping up the blood. So let's just not go there at all. There's no good coming of such arguments and we're here to talk about swords. Plus there's no shortage of places to argue politics.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Aug 5, 2019 23:57:36 GMT
It's too bad. I remember a post from Holg from a year or two back in which he stated that he did indeed suffer from mental illness. As someone who suffers from mental illness myself and who knows multiple people with mental conditions, I'm inclined to regard the whole matter with sadness. However, I understand why the decision was made, and I hope Holg can actually benefit from this, as the forum seemed to be causing him a great deal of stress.
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Post by christain on Aug 6, 2019 0:00:28 GMT
Agreed. There's no need to re-post such news when it's already out there for all to read, unfortunate as it may all be. Morbid news surrounds us constantly, no matter where you live, who you voted for, or what your religion is. Let's think of this forum as a place to come to get away from all that---at least for a while---and enjoy doing what we do. (meant to quote Cosmoline, ...sorry.)
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 6, 2019 7:22:13 GMT
I'll let you all know what the deal is. I've told zabazagobo, but he's obviously in strong disagreement with me. He's Holger's friend, and honestly not being bothered that your friend was banned from a place you both frequent would be stranger than that.
No, Holger is not coming back. He has been banned due to continued poor behavior and rule breaking over the course of several years and, in my own time as a moderator, three different profiles.
Why the delay from his last infraction and the ban? Because banning a member is taken seriously by us forum moderators and we tend not to do so in a vacuum. We consult each other, ask opinions and compare experiences with the member. He was also already on a current formal warning from a previous incident. Rule breaking while under formal warning results in a ban, either temporary or permanent depending on the severity or the infraction number of past incidences and the willingness of the member to cease the problematic behavior. Unfortunately, Holger failed in all of these.
If zabazagobo quits the forum because of this it is a loss. I think this is the first time we've ever had an issue so I am sorry, but again, Holger is not coming back. He'll probably make it in temporarily under a new account, probably on multiple occasions, maybe even is already back under a new name, but when he is found he will be removed again.
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Post by nddave on Aug 6, 2019 19:03:16 GMT
It is too bad he had to be permanently banned but in the end he really didn't give the Mods much option. That's the problem with self destructive behavior, sadly I have a hunch he is getting more satisfaction from the drama of this ban than he would being an active member.
And I get the whole defend your friend thing going on here but again sadly I feel its misconstrued, as all its doing is feeding Holg's own self absorbed gratification and burning those who choose to side with him.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 6, 2019 20:07:13 GMT
It's worth noting that Holg managed to get himself banned from at least three Facebook sword groups I'm a member of, and it all revolved around the same odious posts he made here (and his comments were actually significantly worse in at least one of those groups). This isn't a case of the admins/mods of this forum banning the guy on a whim. Holg actively, and repeatedly, behaved in a manner which got him independently banned from multiple online communities over the period of a couple days. zabazagobo getting upset and leaving in a huff because Holg was banned, is certainly something I would expect Holg to do. In that particular way, you are certainly honoring his spirit.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 6, 2019 21:54:57 GMT
I'm going to step on this a little. The issue has been resolved. Zabazagobo is 100% entitled to feel the way he does, and I'm not going to fault him for being upset or trying to stick up for his friend. I'd appreciate it if we could not steer this in an ugly direction. I would like to leave this open to allow it to serve its main purpose. If you'd like to speak to the OP or take advantage of his offer to find him on Facebook then do so, but no more piling on an already sore subject.
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