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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 14, 2019 8:45:27 GMT
I wrapped my CS Grosses Messer now, it hasn't a slap handle anyway and the wooden grip was not so good. And I made an additional grip wrap on my ZT Apokatana, which originally had a very slender grip. Now with two grip band wraps over the original leather wrap it feels comfy. On both swords I thickened the area where to grip one handed and the Apokat got a little pommel and the grip has now some kind of hourglass shape. On both swords it improved the one handed use or made it worth considering at all.
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Post by markus313 on Dec 14, 2019 9:01:14 GMT
Nice!
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 26, 2019 9:48:59 GMT
Here my CS Bushman and my francisca with grip wrap. I made a bulge on the Bushman grip which improves the handling and makes gripping more secure, the knife still locks in the sheath.
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Post by pgandy on Dec 26, 2019 13:29:23 GMT
For those pesky tape ends that don't want to stay down or those tape corner that work up after use I found that CA glue is the answer. Photo compliments of RufusScorpius
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 26, 2019 13:36:31 GMT
Yeah, I use glue too.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 29, 2019 10:27:15 GMT
Windlass Patton sword: It has a very large hilt and grip so it was not my first thought to wrap this sword. But it also has a "special" mass distribution with a medium weight blade and a relative heavy hilt. I feels a bit sluggish overall, something that can be improved with a grip band as I found out. I also know this cavalry sword is meant to be handled with heavy leather gloves, which work like a grip band too. But I don't like to wear such gloves. Nevertheless the original grip is relative straight and I tried upholstering with felt furniture sliders. Together with a wrap the swords feels better in the hand now, esp. when swinging for cuts. A grip band makes a sword feel like having lost a few oz. weight because you can better apply the muscular power of the hand.
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Post by pgandy on Dec 29, 2019 15:11:58 GMT
Thanks for the info. My M1913 feels much better with gloves but I can still feel the corners. I like your photos showing your placements of the sliders, then the final wrap. Still no grip band here, I’m dragging my feet on that one, but have sufficient rescue tape that I like and should be able to find a substitute for the sliders around the house somewhere. I like that sword but find it not well suited for dismounted one-on-one combat, perhaps that may help.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 29, 2019 15:40:47 GMT
From what I've read both the grip band and rescue tape are made of silicone rubber and have no sticky side. I've never handled rescue tape but I guess there is not soo much difference.
I upholster the area at the middle and ring finger on one side, both fingers have the strongest grip, and beneath the thumb ball, feels somehow more comfy. The felt sliders are good because they have a sticky side and are a bit flexible but a few layers of tape work too.
I always watch the posts/articles about the antique sabers with an extra look at the grip forms. Sometimes I see grips simular to my construction, sometimes other forms and sometimes plain straight forms. Still can see no system.
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Post by pgandy on Dec 29, 2019 21:04:39 GMT
To bring some closure to this; I spent much of the day playing with my M1913 padding about where you did using yours as a model. The difference is that I used three tongue depressors bound with masking tape before attaching to grip with rescue tape. The rescue tape adheres to the original lines better than Grip Band showing off the padding more and squarish, not so pleasing to my eye. Afterwards the sword responded better to dry handling. I also noticed that before on a thrust with blade horizontal unless my thumb was in its recessed area on top of the grip there was about a 15° bend between the axis of blade and my forearm. With the padding that is nearly eliminated and the difference is easily corrected with my wrist and/or it’s easier to put my thumb home during the thrust making everything better. I couldn’t resist and set up the beer can from last night and lopped it in half with a #5 cut with noticeably less muscle than before. I know, it’s a thrusting blade but couldn’t resist it. I can improve on what I did but that’s for another day as I’m about sworded out for today. I consider what I did as the prototype. The padding on top really helped but at the same time the high squared distal end tended to dig into my palm. On the final job I’ll glue those three sticks together then use my belt sander to make a wedge out of them and then rewrap as before. Also am considering breaking the corner on those sticks below. And hit it with matt black spray paint, something I didn’t do on the prototype. Thanks, you have given new life to the sword.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 29, 2019 21:33:16 GMT
You really got the virus, haha. The tong depressor things look too hard and too edged. Perhaps only one layer wrapped on its place with a few layers of band. This whole wrapping thing gives the fun back to some swords that were placed back already!
(I understand and really like the term "to be sworded out for today")
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Post by markus313 on Dec 29, 2019 21:53:18 GMT
"To be sworded out for today". Goes right into my vocabulary.
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Post by pgandy on Jan 12, 2020 14:07:15 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 12, 2020 14:24:35 GMT
I stole this interesting picture of a Spanish 1895 saber grip from scott's WTS thread. It shows a form similar to that what we both find comfy, just thinner:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 20:37:48 GMT
I stole this interesting picture of a Spanish 1895 saber grip from scott's WTS thread. It shows a form similar to that what we both find comfy, just thinner: I own one, and honestly, it's very comfortable, both in saber grip and hammer grip
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 20, 2020 16:36:16 GMT
My antique Bhojpure and the CS Royal Kukri Machete with a wrap. The Bhojpure grip was too small for me, better now. The Kukri Machete had a little tendency to torque with hacking moves. I upholstered the area under the middle finger, torque gone.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 21, 2020 13:42:30 GMT
OK, I know it's here somewhere...are there links to the wraps you're using? I can't find them, but I'm sure they're here...and I need more coffee.
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Post by snowbite on Feb 21, 2020 13:58:49 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 21, 2020 13:58:56 GMT
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 21, 2020 14:23:56 GMT
thanks, I'll give it a try For my SCA swords I've always used gloves and baseball wrap, so not padded. It's essentially a cloth tape with glue on one side. Initially kinda sticky, wears smooth and gives decent grip, but not great. This might be worlds better...I'll report once I give it a spin.
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Post by pgandy on Feb 21, 2020 18:22:08 GMT
thanks, I'll give it a try :) For my SCA swords I've always used gloves and baseball wrap, so not padded. It's essentially a cloth tape with glue on one side. Initially kinda sticky, wears smooth and gives decent grip, but not great. This might be worlds better...I'll report once I give it a spin. In the old days we called that friction tape and it was part of every tool box and almost in every home. We wrap everything from electrical wires to baseball bats with it. When electrical tape came in in the ‘50s it all but killed the friction tape market but now has a new lease on life as hockey tape. I still have some kukris wrapped with it.
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