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Post by reptaronice1 on May 11, 2019 17:38:23 GMT
I do not get it. At the end of the day we are all collecters and learners, so why try to fight?
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 11, 2019 17:47:38 GMT
I have no idea my man. As someone who is new to the sword community, the touchiness and defensiveness has always been a huge turn off. Im only 16 and just the other day a guy flipped on me and said my post sucked and im a jerk basically because I forgot to cite were pictures were from. I added in the info of were they were from as that was my bad and I dont want to plagerize but why call me a jerk and say I suck over a small mistake? Another guy just now told me my sword reccomendation sucks and im like why? I dont get why people are so nasty.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on May 11, 2019 18:12:08 GMT
Only 16 sit back learn for awhile.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 18:14:51 GMT
Yes, you are still stealing bandwidth and copyrighted images from the two author's sites. Hence, I feel your presentation stinks. Your lack of understanding the problem and now, picking more "fights" does underline your inability to take criticism.
Have a good day
edited for clarity
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Post by nerdthenord on May 11, 2019 18:15:51 GMT
Don’t worry man. Most folks here are awesome. Just ignore the bad apples. It’s always great to have new people but some just want the sword community to be an old boys club. I say F that attitude.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 11, 2019 20:04:51 GMT
More or less, that's life.
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Post by elbrittania39 on May 11, 2019 20:11:29 GMT
I would agree that most of these comments you seem concerned about are more just disagreements than fighting. Like if you disagree with Edelweiss's objection, feel free to totally ignore it. If he continues to berate you and bring it up, well that's another story.
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Post by elbrittania39 on May 11, 2019 20:15:10 GMT
Only 16 sit back learn for awhile. As a 21 year old myself I take some umbrage with that mentality. There are far better reasons to disagree with someone than just pointing to their age. It's no better than if I were to say "this is just some old guy, don't listen to him". This guy has every right to weigh in even if you disagree with him and I don't think telling him to "sit back" is constructive.
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Post by Silent on May 11, 2019 20:27:17 GMT
Sometimes ppl are a bit overaggressive making their points, never seen "insults".
I guess some ppl take offense if you writte down untrue information
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Post by zabazagobo on May 11, 2019 20:49:40 GMT
Only 16 sit back learn for awhile. As a 21 year old myself I take some umbrage with that mentality. There are far better reasons to disagree with someone than just pointing to their age. It's no better than if I were to say "this is just some old guy, don't listen to him". This guy has every right to weigh in even if you disagree with him and I don't think telling him to "sit back" is constructive. Expertise is typically defined as a learning function given temporal modifiers. There's a difference between being talented, a savant and being an expert. Experts develop a sophisticated cognitive architecture following years, and years of practice. Even at the age of 21, you're going to be much more skilled and talented at age 24 if you maintain or improve practice regimens (barring other intruding variables). It's not so much ageism as stating that given time you can develop knowledge and talents to an even keener edge.
The mind is a like taking a sword across whetstone: the longer you take it across, the more keen it becomes.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on May 11, 2019 20:49:55 GMT
No one is “picking a fight with you”. Some of the responses to your posts have been a little “aggressive”, but nothing bordering “picking a fight”. The reason for the perceived “aggressiveness” by some is that you have inserted your personal opinions on matters that you yourself have said you don’t know much about. This forum is made out of anyone between “newbies” and super experienced members. We as forum members need to remember that and temper ourselves in our responses, but as experienced members, we also need to let people know when “bad” or improper information is made by someone (who’s mentioned they’re not experienced) is made. To leave that improper information stand would be a disservice to all members on this forum.
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Post by elbrittania39 on May 11, 2019 21:13:12 GMT
As a 21 year old myself I take some umbrage with that mentality. There are far better reasons to disagree with someone than just pointing to their age. It's no better than if I were to say "this is just some old guy, don't listen to him". This guy has every right to weigh in even if you disagree with him and I don't think telling him to "sit back" is constructive. Expertise is typically defined as a learning function given temporal modifiers. There's a difference between being talented, a savant and being an expert. Experts develop a sophisticated cognitive architecture following years, and years of practice. Even at the age of 21, you're going to be much more skilled and talented at age 24 if you maintain or improve practice regimens (barring other intruding variables). It's not so much ageism as stating that given time you can develop knowledge and talents to an even keener edge.
The mind is a like taking a sword across whetstone: the longer you take it across, the more keen it becomes.
I fully agree with all of that. However I think responding to someones point by saying "you're only X age, sit back and listen to your elders" is dismissive and frustrating. It's not providing a valid response to their point and is instead trying to provide validation to ignoring their point. If you do think a younger person has something to learn, why not just make the case for what that something is rather than just telling them to be quiet?
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Post by christain on May 11, 2019 21:58:56 GMT
I'll turn 53 in November and have been collecting blades for over half my life, learning all I can, and imparting all the knowledge I'm able to...and some days I still feel like a 'newb'. The occasional disagreement is part of being human, but to out-n-out pick a fight with someone on a website is just a waste of everyone's time. Especially a website like SBG, where we need to all learn and grow together and enjoy our 'passionate hobby'. MY WORDS---passionate hobby, because that's what it is. A hobby that we share with each other, and that we feel passionately about. Some people take that passion way too seriously at times though, and will go to absurd lengths to prove their point...even when nobody else even cares. That's a big part of the reason I seldom ever post over on myArmoury any more. I have better things to do.
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Post by stormmaster on May 11, 2019 22:01:45 GMT
I think there was issue taken with the fact you reposted information as your own and didnt credit the original posters until someone prompted you to
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Post by MOK on May 11, 2019 22:03:31 GMT
A lot of the older swordspeople grew into the hobby having to debunk a dozen myths and misconceptions to dig up each nugget of actual information. I think that's why a lot of us still have a somewhat... combative approach to discussion. It's just a bad habit.
Seniority is no excuse to be impolite, though! If you really feel you're older and more experienced than the people you're talking with, if anything that's just all the more reason to be patient and mind your manners. Set a good example.
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Post by RufusScorpius on May 11, 2019 22:17:30 GMT
Humans. That's how they act. Put two humans in a room together, and within an hour they will be fighting over which half of the room is "theirs". Put one human in a room by themselves and within a day he will be fighting himself.
We also don't like being wrong about things. I've spent many decades learning the hard way that I'm actually not always right about everything. Often, criticism towards me is less than "diplomatic", but if it's valid, the I have to accept the content of the criticism and let the method by which it was delivered be ignored. I believe that pointing out the importance of using citations and avoiding plagiarism could have been done better, and owing to your age I would assume you don't know these things yet. Learn the lesson and move on.
And we certainly don't have an obligation to respond to rudeness in kind. It is possible to simply thank somebody for their input, then ignore them. Nothing is gained by becoming part of the problem, and you lose nothing of yourself by avoiding the conflict.
It's life, dude. It's how it is. People are like that. It's human behavior. You can't control other people's actions, only your own. So focus on improving yourself and controlling that which is in your power to change. Everything else is just white noise.
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Post by pgandy on May 11, 2019 22:20:18 GMT
I see no fights, some disagreements some stronger than others. The problem is you’re the FNG, inexperienced even by your admissions, yet take the attitude that your untried opinions are correct. Others point out your errors, not to be confused with fighting or bullying. Best to set back and use the forum as a learning experience for the moment. Your questions and opinions are welcomed but state them for what they are, not fact. New blood is welcome and we are glad to have you but don’t come on so strong. We are all learning, a prime reason for the forum, some have travelled down the road farther than others. Take it easy and don’t get ahead of yourself. The expression in my country is “un poco un poco”. You will find that the people on this forum, like everyone everywhere with their passions, are opinionated, perhaps some a bit too strongly in some areas. But no one is trying to fight with you.
I forgot to mention that there seems to be plagiarism involved. I missed that post and have to interest in hunting it down.
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Post by MOK on May 11, 2019 22:57:19 GMT
Humans. That's how they act. Put two humans in a room together, and within an hour they will be fighting over which half of the room is "theirs". Put one human in a room by themselves and within a day he will be fighting himself. Oh, speak for yourself! #NotAllHumans
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 11, 2019 23:25:41 GMT
I see no fights, some disagreements some stronger than others. The problem is you’re the FNG, inexperienced even by your admissions, yet take the attitude that your untried opinions are correct. Others point out your errors, not to be confused with fighting or bullying. Best to set back and use the forum as a learning experience for the moment. Your questions and opinions are welcomed but state them for what they are, not fact. New blood is welcome and we are glad to have you but don’t come on so strong. We are all learning, a prime reason for the forum, some have travelled down the road farther than others. Take it easy and don’t get ahead of yourself. The expression in my country is “un poco un poco”. You will find that the people on this forum, like everyone everywhere with their passions, are opinionated, perhaps some a bit too strongly in some areas. But no one is trying to fight with you. I forgot to mention that there seems to be plagiarism involved. I missed that post and have to interest in hunting it down. Just because im inexperienced does not mean I cant share what I learn.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 11, 2019 23:26:28 GMT
No one is “picking a fight with you”. Some of the responses to your posts have been a little “aggressive”, but nothing bordering “picking a fight”. The reason for the perceived “aggressiveness” by some is that you have inserted your personal opinions on matters that you yourself have said you don’t know much about. This forum is made out of anyone between “newbies” and super experienced members. We as forum members need to remember that and temper ourselves in our responses, but as experienced members, we also need to let people know when “bad” or improper information is made by someone (who’s mentioned they’re not experienced) is made. To leave that improper information stand would be a disservice to all members on this forum. Is my suggestion really that bad?
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