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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 17:51:16 GMT
Nihonto translates to "japanese sword" so IMHO I feel like even though it may not be made in japan it is fair to call it a Nihonto for the fact that it is still a japanese sword.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 10, 2019 18:03:26 GMT
I rather read it "Sword made in Japan". Katana's ( ) are the type of sword that can be forged everywhere.
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Post by reptaronice1 on May 10, 2019 18:04:57 GMT
I rather read it "Sword made in Japan". Katana's ( ) are the type of sword that can be forged everywhere. Alright lol that is kinda funny because by literal translation it could be any japanese sword, but it seems to be used like you said when talking about antique swords made in japan Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 18:16:21 GMT
I rather read it "Sword made in Japan". Katana's ( ) are the type of sword that can be forged everywhere. Alright lol that is kinda funny because by literal translation it could be any japanese sword, but it seems to be used like you said when talking about antique swords made in japan Thank you! A Chinese sword is not Japanese, no matter what it appears to be.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 18:19:39 GMT
I rather read it "Sword made in Japan". Katana's ( ) are the type of sword that can be forged everywhere. At best, regarded as shinken
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 10, 2019 18:20:15 GMT
The Japanese use different terms for swords or sword parts depending on which eyebrow you raise when uttering it. It's impossible to make no mistakes, I'm not sure if I'm right here. Is an Iaito made in Japan a Nihonto but no Shinken?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 18:25:27 GMT
The Japanese use different terms for swords or sword parts depending on which eyebrow you raise when uttering it. It's impossible to make no mistakes, I'm not sure if I'm right here. You forgot your umlat's
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 10, 2019 18:26:57 GMT
Umlauto
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 18:29:43 GMT
Ummmm ....lattoe's
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 10, 2019 18:32:58 GMT
Ümlöitärs'
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 18:36:53 GMT
Ümlöitäriers's
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 10, 2019 18:49:33 GMT
Nühöntoä (Indeed a real Saxon would pronounce it this way)
But we should cut this bs now, lest reptaronice1 reports us to the mod's for derailing his thread.
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Post by Ifrit on May 10, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
If the modern made sword is made in Japan, then yes.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on May 10, 2019 21:27:11 GMT
Nihonto is a Japanese term for an old sword (pre 1920’s) made in Japan using traditional methods. Gendaito are considered handmade swords made in Japan from the mid 1920’s to the end of WWII. Showato are swords made in Japan during the same time frame, but machine made instead of hand made Shinsakuto are swords made in Japan after WWII to this day. Shinken means “live sword”, meaning it has a sharp edge, and can come from any country. Hope that helps.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 10, 2019 21:32:03 GMT
Nihonto is a term used pretty much exclusively to denote a Japanese sword made be an accredited Japanese smith out of tamahagane in the traditional methods, and certificated by the proper Japanese governing bodies. I'm not 100% positive, but I believe I read some time ago that even swords made by graduates of traditional Japanese smithing schools cannot(well, they can, but it won't be recognized by any legally empowered body) refer to their swords as nihonto if it is made outside of Japan and not tamahagane or orishigane(homemade steel, much like tamahagane). A better, less strict term would be shinken, which is used to denote a sharp sword.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 10, 2019 21:32:40 GMT
Oops, LG got to it first, hahaha.
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Post by pgandy on May 10, 2019 21:46:47 GMT
From Wikipedia: "A Japanese sword (日本刀 nihontō) is one of several types of traditionally made swords from Japan. Swords have been made from as early as the Kofun period, though generally "Japanese swords" refer to the curved blades made after the Heian period. There are many types of Japanese swords that differ by size, shape, field of application and method of manufacture. Some of the more commonly known types of Japanese swords are the katana, wakizashi, odachi, and tachi."
Note: A Japanese sword (日本刀 nihontō) is one of several types of traditionally made swords from Japan.
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Post by nddave on May 11, 2019 0:07:43 GMT
You know its funny how so much prestige is given and or made up in regards to katana whereas other swords styles aren't. I mean would anyone argue a reproduction Frankish Geibig Type 2, English Oakeshott Type XVIII or even a Highland Scottish Broadsword were not those swords simply because they were made in China or India? No of course not. This whole stigma over Japanese tradition and Nihonto is definitely over swelled compared to the rest of the sword world.
To much fluff for one sword if you ask me and I'm a katana fan, lol. Overall just call the damned things Katana and get over the hype and horse manure. Calling a cheap chinese repro katana, a Howard Clark katana, or even a Japanese made katana a "Nihonto" doesn't make them anymore mystical or impressive than simply calling it a katana.
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Post by Ifrit on May 11, 2019 0:52:04 GMT
You know its funny how so much prestige is given and or made up in regards to katana whereas other swords styles aren't. I mean would anyone argue a reproduction Frankish Geibig Type 2, English Oakeshott Type XVIII or even a Highland Scottish Broadsword were not those swords simply because they were made in China or India? No of course not. This whole stigma over Japanese tradition and Nihonto is definitely over swelled compared to the rest of the sword world. To much fluff for one sword if you ask me and I'm a katana fan, lol. Overall just call the damned things Katana and get over the hype and horse manure. Calling a cheap chinese repro katana, a Howard Clark katana, or even a Japanese made katana a "Nihonto" doesn't make them anymore mystical or impressive than simply calling it a katana. I feel the same way, in the sense I would just call it a katana. But this view, for me, also finds the need to call a Chinese made katana a nihinto to be in the same catagory as seeing them with any prestige. Or should I say... Katagory
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 0:57:54 GMT
You know its funny how so much prestige is given and or made up in regards to katana whereas other swords styles aren't. I mean would anyone argue a reproduction Frankish Geibig Type 2, English Oakeshott Type XVIII or even a Highland Scottish Broadsword were not those swords simply because they were made in China or India? No of course not. This whole stigma over Japanese tradition and Nihonto is definitely over swelled compared to the rest of the sword world. To much fluff for one sword if you ask me and I'm a katana fan, lol. Overall just call the damned things Katana and get over the hype and horse manure. Calling a cheap chinese repro katana, a Howard Clark katana, or even a Japanese made katana a "Nihonto" doesn't make them anymore mystical or impressive than simply calling it a katana. I feel the same way, in the sense I would just call it a katana. But this view, for me, also finds the need to call a Chinese made katana a nihinto to be in the same catagory as seeing them with any prestige. Or should I say... Katagory Kata-gory? Isn't that what happens when you mess up while handling a katana?
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