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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 29, 2019 23:20:50 GMT
I loved the episode, it was incredible. For those that are bemoaning the dark scenes, it was meant as an allegory to the darkness that is death - the pitched battle between life and death at the hands of the Night King. It’s meant as a vehicle for making people (characters AND audience) realize that darkness comes for all, and the only thing we can do is fight it with the light, even if it pales in comparison. Darkness swallowing up hope, darkness enveloping all, darkness engulfing and snuffing out the light of life like the Dothraki hoard in the first melee. But, not all was lost even in the face of all consuming darkness, as was shown by the heroic actions of some of our beloved characters who are no more (and at least one who still is). If you’re still unhappy about how dark the episode was, you can try some tricks to make the episode look brighter found here: www.theverge.com/2019/4/29/18522550/game-of-thrones-got-season-8-hbo-battle-of-winterfell-long-night-fix-tv-settings-darkness
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 29, 2019 23:21:06 GMT
Maybe Jamie will kill her, to show his love of the realm was always the strongest love he's had, even when he killed the mad king ...valonqar... Just looked that up. Had no idea it was a valid theory. But then again people guessed Jon was a Targaryan so I am not surprised
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Post by zabazagobo on Apr 29, 2019 23:31:12 GMT
I really am... speechless (not really, no), angry and ... yes, sad, to hear SO much critics. I cant understand you. Not a bit. Not at all. It really pulls me down, draws the fun and excitement out of those fabulous 84 minutes. If theres an intersection between all those hobby military experts (not necessarily in here), armchair warriors (not necessarily in here) and mall ninjas (not necessarily in here) which could have done SOOO much better and people that, lets say, loved "The Last Jedi"... then i would know my enemy, my nemesis. I just REwatched one of the BEST entertainment events in my whole near 55 years life, standing next to the first StarWars movie, Jurassic Park and a few others... well, my problem is, it seems i like unspeakable bad movies, bad made swords, i prefer later Metallica to the earlier usw. usw. It seems i will always be the man with the worst and wrongest taste in the world. Know what? I give BULL! Huh? No clue who this is directed at, but I really loved the episode. Yes, there were some truly awful strategic gaffes in how the battle played out, but it was easily one of the most epic battles I've ever seen. I'm already budgeting time to rewatch episode 2+3 back to back (since it really makes a nearly perfectly paced 2.5 hour film this way) at least once or twice this week. I'm also seriously considering a skyrim playthrough using only daggers just to evoke how unbelievably kickass Arya was in this episode (in particular).
I've yet to hear a single soul say anything, anything, unconditionally positive about the last jedi, but that's my sample population from friends, family and acquaintances. Professional critics inhale their own excrement, I stopped paying them any mind a decade ago. I mean really, how can anyone say Machete Kills is not a masterpiece of thought provoking artistry?
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Post by zabazagobo on Apr 29, 2019 23:33:25 GMT
I loved the episode, it was incredible. For those that are bemoaning the dark scenes, it was meant as an allegory to the darkness that is death - the pitched battle between life and death at the hands of the Night King. It’s meant as a vehicle for making people (characters AND audience) realize that darkness comes for all, and the only thing we can do is fight it with the light, even if it pales in comparison. Darkness swallowing up hope, darkness comes Bering all, darkness engulfing and snuffing out the light of life like the Dothraki hoard in the first melee. But, not all was lost even in the face of all consuming darkness, as was shown by the heroic actions of some of our beloved characters who are no more (and at least one who still is). If you’re still unhappy about how dark the episode was, you can try some tricks to make the episode look brighter found here: www.theverge.com/2019/4/29/18522550/game-of-thrones-got-season-8-hbo-battle-of-winterfell-long-night-fix-tv-settings-darknessI really liked the aesthetic they went for with the darkness of it all...the chaos, the confusion, the deathly stillness, the fires going out...and the fire everywhere, and shadows....that moment up in the sky with the moonlight and stars above the clouds, before diving back into the nightmare below...
Such a phenomenal episode, and truly excellent vision, direction and production.
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Post by zabazagobo on Apr 29, 2019 23:36:04 GMT
Just looked that up. Had no idea it was a valid theory. But then again people guessed Jon was a Targaryan so I am not surprised My longstanding theory is either Cersei goes full 'mad queen' and starts wildfiring everyone in King's Landing, so Jaime, seeing shadows of the Mad King, cuts her down, fulfilling the prophecy of Maggy the Frog. Plus, Kingslayer, Queenslayer, is pretty consistent career choices for him.
Either that or Arya steals his face and does Cersei in.
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Post by stormmaster on Apr 29, 2019 23:38:38 GMT
I loved the episode, it was incredible. For those that are bemoaning the dark scenes, it was meant as an allegory to the darkness that is death - the pitched battle between life and death at the hands of the Night King. It’s meant as a vehicle for making people (characters AND audience) realize that darkness comes for all, and the only thing we can do is fight it with the light, even if it pales in comparison. Darkness swallowing up hope, darkness comes Bering all, darkness engulfing and snuffing out the light of life like the Dothraki hoard in the first melee. But, not all was lost even in the face of all consuming darkness, as was shown by the heroic actions of some of our beloved characters who are no more (and at least one who still is). If you’re still unhappy about how dark the episode was, you can try some tricks to make the episode look brighter found here: www.theverge.com/2019/4/29/18522550/game-of-thrones-got-season-8-hbo-battle-of-winterfell-long-night-fix-tv-settings-darknessI really liked the aesthetic they went for with the darkness of it all...the chaos, the confusion, the deathly stillness, the fires going out...and the fire everywhere, and shadows....that moment up in the sky with the moonlight and stars above the clouds, before diving back into the nightmare below...
Such a phenomenal episode, and truly excellent vision, direction and production.
they went literal with the whole he brings the storm thing
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Post by zabazagobo on Apr 29, 2019 23:41:46 GMT
I really liked the aesthetic they went for with the darkness of it all...the chaos, the confusion, the deathly stillness, the fires going out...and the fire everywhere, and shadows....that moment up in the sky with the moonlight and stars above the clouds, before diving back into the nightmare below...
Such a phenomenal episode, and truly excellent vision, direction and production.
they went literal with the whole he brings the storm thing That was so awesome, there was just this giant wall of winter that messed up Danny and Jon completely. That scene was so intense the way they filmed it, it was as though you were actually there in the thick of things, as lost and confused as the dragons and their riders.
Also loved the nonchalant 'come at me bro' scene between the Night King and Jon.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 29, 2019 23:48:39 GMT
Just looked that up. Had no idea it was a valid theory. But then again people guessed Jon was a Targaryan so I am not surprised My longstanding theory is either Cersei goes full 'mad queen' and starts wildfiring everyone in King's Landing, so Jaime, seeing shadows of the Mad King, cuts her down, fulfilling the prophecy of Maggy the Frog. Plus, Kingslayer, Queenslayer, is pretty consistent career choices for him.
Either that or Arya steals his face and does Cersei in.
I'm hoping it's Jaime that does it. Arya already got the ice king, Walter freys entire family, and uh.... That's about it I think. But still. Someone else deserves a little glory 😎 Or at least if the hound helps her by distracting the mountain
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Post by zabazagobo on Apr 29, 2019 23:58:29 GMT
My longstanding theory is either Cersei goes full 'mad queen' and starts wildfiring everyone in King's Landing, so Jaime, seeing shadows of the Mad King, cuts her down, fulfilling the prophecy of Maggy the Frog. Plus, Kingslayer, Queenslayer, is pretty consistent career choices for him.
Either that or Arya steals his face and does Cersei in.
I'm hoping it's Jaime that does it. Arya already got the ice king, Walter freys entire family, and uh.... That's about it I think. But still. Someone else deserves a little glory 😎 Or at least if the hound helps her by distracting the mountain "Your sons have been here the whole time..." so disturbing, but such sweet revenge. There were several others (that sadist, forget his name, who liked torturing girls), but yeah, maybe Arya shouldn't get yet another name on her list, her resume is already killer. Might be fun to see her take down the mountain alongside the Hound, but I agree if anyone takes out Cersei, it should be Jaime. Tragic, but Jaime is, deep-down, a hero and a knight.
Then again, seeing how the writers subverted expectations with this last episode, Bronn probably just shoots her with that crossbow lol
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 30, 2019 0:11:04 GMT
I'm hoping it's Jaime that does it. Arya already got the ice king, Walter freys entire family, and uh.... That's about it I think. But still. Someone else deserves a little glory 😎 Or at least if the hound helps her by distracting the mountain "Your sons have been here the whole time..." so disturbing, but such sweet revenge. There were several others (that sadist, forget his name, who liked torturing girls), but yeah, maybe Arya shouldn't get yet another name on her list, her resume is already killer. Might be fun to see her take down the mountain alongside the Hound, but I agree if anyone takes out Cersei, it should be Jaime. Tragic, but Jaime is, deep-down, a hero and a knight.
Then again, seeing how the writers subverted expectations with this last episode, Bronn probably just shoots her with that crossbow lol
Or who knows. Maybe she and Dany have a mud wrestle for the throne as the men open some bud lights and cheer
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Post by stormmaster on Apr 30, 2019 0:13:49 GMT
at this point with the night king ghosted, im hoping dany and jon end up on the iron throne together, i know its a bit incest but it already happened and whatever and different standards so if they end up killing dany in like the final episode or something it will feel like we watched 8 seasons only for her to die it would be a waste and a plot twist just for plot twists sake
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Post by demonskull on Apr 30, 2019 0:50:26 GMT
I'm thinking Brienne not Jaime kills Cersei. Cersei has Huron kill Jaime and in a rage Brienne kills Huron then Cersei.
After all Jaime wasn't the only Kingslayer.
Who remembers Stannis ?
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Post by stormmaster on Apr 30, 2019 1:01:04 GMT
well it saids one of her brothers would do it so either jaime or tyrion, but honestly the prophecy seems to be screwed considering the whole prince that was promised azor ahai didnt seem to pan out
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Post by stormmaster on Apr 30, 2019 1:35:34 GMT
i also have to add the piano music for the final part was one of the most epic songs ive heard on tv ever for any scene it made my heart pump in tune with it
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 30, 2019 2:06:09 GMT
George R R Martin described the prophecies in their world like depending on an untrained mule. They have a habit of kicking on you once you think you think can trust in them
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Post by stormmaster on Apr 30, 2019 2:12:07 GMT
maybe jon is still tptwp as he did contribute a truck load to ending the night king, who knows
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Post by Cosmoline on Apr 30, 2019 2:39:34 GMT
I am disappointed in the Night King. He was a bad so big that in earlier times, when dragons and dragonglass were available, the best they could do is wall off the living from the dead. Yet our team of ragamuffins somehow ends thise great and icy evil, with nary a dead protagonist (which this story happens to be lousy with). The best my brain can manage, in its pained throes of cognitive dissonance, is to assume that the plan was to make the goodun's defensive efforts seem so amateurish that the Night King fully committed his forces, and in doing so leave himself open by way of the King's Gambit. Ninja checkmate! And he (the Night King) stood around and delayed in dispatching his goal that was sitting in that wheelchair. Alas, this is a common tactic used in movies for villains (see Bond films). Yeah, but I think a lot of us expected more from GOT. Esp. since GRRM has said he hates these kinds of tropes. I kept expecting a reveal that the humans had broken some ancient peace treaty and that the NK's markings were warnings they ignored. This would have tied it back to the first episode. And I was even hoping there would simply be a new peace made. I would have been happy with anything more than the utterly 2D villain we ended up with.
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Post by Cosmoline on Apr 30, 2019 2:44:02 GMT
I really am... speechless (not really, no), angry and ... yes, sad, to hear SO much critics. I cant understand you. Not a bit. Not at all. It really pulls me down, draws the fun and excitement out of those fabulous 84 minutes. If theres an intersection between all those hobby military experts (not necessarily in here), armchair warriors (not necessarily in here) and mall ninjas (not necessarily in here) which could have done SOOO much better and people that, lets say, loved "The Last Jedi"... then i would know my enemy, my nemesis. I just REwatched one of the BEST entertainment events in my whole near 55 years life, standing next to the first StarWars movie, Jurassic Park and a few others... well, my problem is, it seems i like unspeakable bad movies, bad made swords, i prefer later Metallica to the earlier usw. usw. It seems i will always be the man with the worst and wrongest taste in the world. Know what? I give BULL! It was a good episode. Very good by the notoriously low fantasy standards. But the early seasons in particular had raised the bar to excellent levels. And this was not excellent. It was solid, but had editing problems, did too much fan servicing and delivered a very bland villain who's alleged motivation makes no sense. All the enormous mystery that was woven into this Great War in the books and the early series was just kicked aside. And we were treated to a couple of fake outs and then a @#$#! TWIST ENDING. Just for the sake of a twist. I'm afraid this has confirmed all people have been saying about the weakness of screenwriting in this series since it departed from the books. That doesn't mean I hate it or the series. But if it had maintained the same level of excellence displayed early on... we'd be looking at something so much deeper. That's up to Martin now.
That said, there were incredibly beautiful shots even with all the dark filters. Dozens of shots from this episode could be framed as top-tier fantasy art. And the sets were beyond gorgeous. The extras did yeoman's service as always, bless their bearded heads. And it's worth watching, even with the sighs over what might have been.
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Post by stormmaster on Apr 30, 2019 2:59:41 GMT
yeah the scene with the 2 dragons above the clouds with the moon was background worthy
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Post by dlatona on Apr 30, 2019 3:17:18 GMT
Incredible episode, of an incredible series. Hat's off to Benioff and Weiss for what they have managed to do all these long years--keeping us spellbound, creating a huge community that has extended far beyond the original books...the books? That's right, the books--which were here many years before, are still here, and are the reality of this fantasy. Two more to come, two weighty books which will set straight what GRRM had intended all along, possibly painting a very different picture from what the TV series has given us. Whether we end up loving or hating the end of GOT, we still have The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring on their way...eventually...
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