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Post by zabazagobo on Apr 29, 2019 20:09:15 GMT
The way theon charged and when jorah stood up to protect the queen even despite being wounded and the music was really emotional and brought a tear to my eye That was an incredible scene. The music build in particular. When Jorah started to take hits, I seriously yelled "No! Not Jorah!"
With Theon, it was more "that a boy, Theon. Rest well"
For a moment it just seemed like it was all going to heck, and then I remembered a certain someone dashed out a door, and that courtyard had quite a few dark spots...I'm just surprised she didn't drop out of the tree lol
The dagger in question was also a poetically ironic touch
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Post by howler on Apr 29, 2019 20:45:56 GMT
I am disappointed in the Night King. He was a bad so big that in earlier times, when dragons and dragonglass were available, the best they could do is wall off the living from the dead. Yet our team of ragamuffins somehow ends thise great and icy evil, with nary a dead protagonist (which this story happens to be lousy with). The best my brain can manage, in its pained throes of cognitive dissonance, is to assume that the plan was to make the goodun's defensive efforts seem so amateurish that the Night King fully committed his forces, and in doing so leave himself open by way of the King's Gambit. Ninja checkmate! And he (the Night King) stood around and delayed in dispatching his goal that was sitting in that wheelchair. Alas, this is a common tactic used in movies for villains (see Bond films).
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 29, 2019 20:46:32 GMT
I am disappointed in the Night King. He was a bad so big that in earlier times, when dragons and dragonglass were available, the best they could do is wall off the living from the dead. Yet our team of ragamuffins somehow ends thise great and icy evil, with nary a dead protagonist (which this story happens to be lousy with). The best my brain can manage, in its pained throes of cognitive dissonance, is to assume that the plan was to make the goodun's defensive efforts seem so amateurish that the Night King fully committed his forces, and in doing so leave himself open by way of the King's Gambit. Ninja checkmate! That's perhaps the only plausible strategic explanation (aside from writing blunders), but still, perhaps not the most sensible one seeing how...
...the real, big bad villain of Westeros is still alive and kicking, and there's half a season left on how to possibly deal with her with such diminished forces.
Cersei's too good at playing this game.
I feel that this outcome is thematically appropriate: the Night King is pure evil, an evil that is superhuman. Cersei's style of evil is totally different from the Night King's, and she sort of deserves to be the big, bad final villain of the series as she's a completely more treacherous kind of evil that only a mortal could muster. Perhaps the same sort of evil that drove the children of the forest to create the walkers in the first place
Let's not undervalue the equivalent of having two attack helicopters available against an army of living humans fully capably of panic in the face of burnination. Unless they are somehow forced to contend with Cersei before the dragons are healed back up (and oh look, someone left behind a veritable smorgasbord of human-shaped meat on the battlefield), there should be no effective counter to the dragons now that the giant ballista is a known variable. The dragons can destroy the battlements of King's Landing in the dark of night, unless Qyburn has invented nightvision optics off-screen. It won't play out that way, of course. The gooduns will fumble and bumble through it all again, and they'll win because some fan-favorite character will go full Mola Ram on Cersei. When her disembodied heart stops beating, her line of credit with the Iron Bank of Braavos evaporates, and the Golden Company fades into the ether. Ice cream cones all around.
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Post by Darth Paunch on Apr 29, 2019 20:48:01 GMT
I really am... speechless (not really, no), angry and ... yes, sad, to hear SO much critics. I cant understand you. Not a bit. Not at all. It really pulls me down, draws the fun and excitement out of those fabulous 84 minutes. If theres an intersection between all those hobby military experts (not necessarily in here), armchair warriors (not necessarily in here) and mall ninjas (not necessarily in here) which could have done SOOO much better and people that, lets say, loved "The Last Jedi"... then i would know my enemy, my nemesis. I just REwatched one of the BEST entertainment events in my whole near 55 years life, standing next to the first StarWars movie, Jurassic Park and a few others... well, my problem is, it seems i like unspeakable bad movies, bad made swords, i prefer later Metallica to the earlier usw. usw. It seems i will always be the man with the worst and wrongest taste in the world. Know what? I give BULL!
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Post by howler on Apr 29, 2019 20:48:35 GMT
The only thing that gets me, really, is that Cersie didn't have to deal with the white walkers at all. She got to keep her entire army, losing not a single one to the white walkers. It's only episode 3 and the white walkers are gone. We better not get that same tired narrative "but humans are the real monsters". They already built up the damn white walkers to be the end. Yeah, 'humans are the real monsters', see Walking Dead series.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 29, 2019 20:49:23 GMT
I am disappointed in the Night King. He was a bad so big that in earlier times, when dragons and dragonglass were available, the best they could do is wall off the living from the dead. Yet our team of ragamuffins somehow ends thise great and icy evil, with nary a dead protagonist (which this story happens to be lousy with). The best my brain can manage, in its pained throes of cognitive dissonance, is to assume that the plan was to make the goodun's defensive efforts seem so amateurish that the Night King fully committed his forces, and in doing so leave himself open by way of the King's Gambit. Ninja checkmate! And he (the Night King) stood around and delayed in dispatching his goal that was sitting in that wheelchair. Alas, this is a common tactic used in movies for villains (see Bond films). I'm going to just pretend that there was an unseen battle of wills between Bran and the Night King going on through the whole episode, and that without Bran's efforts it would have all gone down horribly.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 29, 2019 20:52:02 GMT
The only thing that gets me, really, is that Cersie didn't have to deal with the white walkers at all. She got to keep her entire army, losing not a single one to the white walkers. It's only episode 3 and the white walkers are gone. We better not get that same tired narrative "but humans are the real monsters". They already built up the damn white walkers to be the end. Yeah, 'humans are the real monsters', see Walking Dead series. Also known as the reason I gave up on that series haha
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 29, 2019 20:52:12 GMT
The way theon charged and when jorah stood up to protect the queen even despite being wounded and the music was really emotional and brought a tear to my eye That was an incredible scene. The music build in particular. When Jorah started to take hits, I seriously yelled "No! Not Jorah!"
With Theon, it was more "that a boy, Theon. Rest well"
For a moment it just seemed like it was all going to heck, and then I remembered a certain someone dashed out a door, and that courtyard had quite a few dark spots...I'm just surprised she didn't drop out of the tree lol
The dagger in question was also a poetically ironic touch
I was also expecting Arya to go all "death from above" via the weirwood tree.
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Post by howler on Apr 29, 2019 20:54:06 GMT
I am disappointed in the Night King. He was a bad so big that in earlier times, when dragons and dragonglass were available, the best they could do is wall off the living from the dead. Yet our team of ragamuffins somehow ends thise great and icy evil, with nary a dead protagonist (which this story happens to be lousy with). The best my brain can manage, in its pained throes of cognitive dissonance, is to assume that the plan was to make the goodun's defensive efforts seem so amateurish that the Night King fully committed his forces, and in doing so leave himself open by way of the King's Gambit. Ninja checkmate! That's perhaps the only plausible strategic explanation (aside from writing blunders), but still, perhaps not the most sensible one seeing how...
...the real, big bad villain of Westeros is still alive and kicking, and there's half a season left on how to possibly deal with her with such diminished forces.
Cersei's too good at playing this game.
I feel that this outcome is thematically appropriate: the Night King is pure evil, an evil that is superhuman. Cersei's style of evil is totally different from the Night King's, and she sort of deserves to be the big, bad final villain of the series as she's a completely more treacherous kind of evil that only a mortal could muster. Perhaps the same sort of evil that drove the children of the forest to create the walkers in the first place
Those two dragons are (as of yet) the only real (and quite significant) power left against Cersei. Also, we may see that husband/wife team who were hiding in the cellar and telling themselves they were "useless" as the future king & queen.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 29, 2019 20:54:07 GMT
I really am... speechless (not really, no), angry and ... yes, sad, to hear SO much critics. I cant understand you. Not a bit. Not at all. It really pulls me down, draws the fun and excitement out of those fabulous 84 minutes. If theres an intersection between all those hobby military experts (not necessarily in here), armchair warriors (not necessarily in here) and mall ninjas (not necessarily in here) which could have done SOOO much better and people that, lets say, loved "The Last Jedi"... then i would know my enemy, my nemesis. I just REwatched one of the BEST entertainment events in my whole near 55 years life, standing next to the first StarWars movie, Jurassic Park and a few others... well, my problem is, it seems i like unspeakable bad movies, bad made swords, i prefer later Metallica to the earlier usw. usw. It seems i will always be the man with the worst and wrongest taste in the world. Know what? I give BULL! I still love the episode. Had my emotions going hard core. One of the best things I've seen on tv I don't find it perfect though. Nothing is perfect. I accept that and know it would be impossible to pull off something as great as they did any better than they did. But that being said, I still have complaints
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Post by howler on Apr 29, 2019 20:58:54 GMT
That's perhaps the only plausible strategic explanation (aside from writing blunders), but still, perhaps not the most sensible one seeing how...
...the real, big bad villain of Westeros is still alive and kicking, and there's half a season left on how to possibly deal with her with such diminished forces.
Cersei's too good at playing this game.
I feel that this outcome is thematically appropriate: the Night King is pure evil, an evil that is superhuman. Cersei's style of evil is totally different from the Night King's, and she sort of deserves to be the big, bad final villain of the series as she's a completely more treacherous kind of evil that only a mortal could muster. Perhaps the same sort of evil that drove the children of the forest to create the walkers in the first place
Let's not undervalue the equivalent of having two attack helicopters available against an army of living humans fully capably of panic in the face of burnination. Unless they are somehow forced to contend with Cersei before the dragons are healed back up (and oh look, someone left behind a veritable smorgasbord of human-shaped meat on the battlefield), there should be no effective counter to the dragons now that the giant ballista is a known variable. The dragons can destroy the battlements of King's Landing in the dark of night, unless Qyburn has invented nightvision optics off-screen. It won't play out that way, of course. The gooduns will fumble and bumble through it all again, and they'll win because some fan-favorite character will go full Mola Ram on Cersei. When her disembodied heart stops beating, her line of credit with the Iron Bank of Braavos evaporates, and the Golden Company fades into the ether. Ice cream cones all around. That ballista will probably claim one (the more wounded) dragon. Will the mountain suddenly go good and kill Cersei? Will the mountain kill a dragon?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 29, 2019 21:02:27 GMT
I really am... speechless (not really, no), angry and ... yes, sad, to hear SO much critics. I cant understand you. Not a bit. Not at all. It really pulls me down, draws the fun and excitement out of those fabulous 84 minutes. If theres an intersection between all those hobby military experts (not necessarily in here), armchair warriors (not necessarily in here) and mall ninjas (not necessarily in here) which could have done SOOO much better and people that, lets say, loved "The Last Jedi"... then i would know my enemy, my nemesis. I just REwatched one of the BEST entertainment events in my whole near 55 years life, standing next to the first StarWars movie, Jurassic Park and a few others... well, my problem is, it seems i like unspeakable bad movies, bad made swords, i prefer later Metallica to the earlier usw. usw. It seems i will always be the man with the worst and wrongest taste in the world. Know what? I give BULL! I still love the episode. Had my emotions going hard core. One of the best things I've seen on tv I don't find it perfect though. Nothing is perfect. I accept that and know it would be impossible to pull off something as great as they did any better than they did. But that being said, I still have complaints Exactly. You can critique and find faults in something you have enjoyed. The end results would have been the same, whether the protags used sound military strategy, or not. For the sake of the story, they need to have their military assets greatly diminished. The army of the dead would have achieved that end no matter what. We might not all agree on how we would have preferred to see that play out, but I think we can agree that the story needs the dramatic tension of the protagonists being the underdogs in the final conflict for a satisfactory conclusion to this epic fantasy.
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Post by howler on Apr 29, 2019 21:02:55 GMT
I really am... speechless (not really, no), angry and ... yes, sad, to hear SO much critics. I cant understand you. Not a bit. Not at all. It really pulls me down, draws the fun and excitement out of those fabulous 84 minutes. If theres an intersection between all those hobby military experts (not necessarily in here), armchair warriors (not necessarily in here) and mall ninjas (not necessarily in here) which could have done SOOO much better and people that, lets say, loved "The Last Jedi"... then i would know my enemy, my nemesis. I just REwatched one of the BEST entertainment events in my whole near 55 years life, standing next to the first StarWars movie, Jurassic Park and a few others... well, my problem is, it seems i like unspeakable bad movies, bad made swords, i prefer later Metallica to the earlier usw. usw. It seems i will always be the man with the worst and wrongest taste in the world. Know what? I give BULL! People are criticizing potential battlefield tactics and such (because it is fun to do on these nerdy forums), NOT the entertainment. Remember, I started by saying this was maybe the finest 1 and a 1/2 hours in TV history.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 29, 2019 21:05:25 GMT
Let's not undervalue the equivalent of having two attack helicopters available against an army of living humans fully capably of panic in the face of burnination. Unless they are somehow forced to contend with Cersei before the dragons are healed back up (and oh look, someone left behind a veritable smorgasbord of human-shaped meat on the battlefield), there should be no effective counter to the dragons now that the giant ballista is a known variable. The dragons can destroy the battlements of King's Landing in the dark of night, unless Qyburn has invented nightvision optics off-screen. It won't play out that way, of course. The gooduns will fumble and bumble through it all again, and they'll win because some fan-favorite character will go full Mola Ram on Cersei. When her disembodied heart stops beating, her line of credit with the Iron Bank of Braavos evaporates, and the Golden Company fades into the ether. Ice cream cones all around. Will the mountain suddenly go good and kill Cersei? I'm not a gambling man, but I will gladly put money down on "no, zombie Mountain doesn't catch a conscience."
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Post by howler on Apr 29, 2019 21:12:08 GMT
Will the mountain suddenly go good and kill Cersei? I'm not a gambling man, but I will gladly put money down on "no, zombie Mountain doesn't catch a conscience." I'm 50/50 on it, as I remember the hound (are they brothers?) trying to help the mountain remember the human aspects of his former self, Ser Gregor. Maybe this just means the hound will square off against the mountain....and who wouldn't want to see that.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 29, 2019 21:19:16 GMT
Maybe Jamie will kill her, to show his love of the realm was always the strongest love he's had, even when he killed the mad king
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 29, 2019 21:43:06 GMT
Maybe Jamie will kill her, to show his love of the realm was always the strongest love he's had, even when he killed the mad king ...valonqar...
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Post by William Swiger on Apr 29, 2019 22:12:39 GMT
I liked the Battle of the Bastards better. I watched it this morning with no light and still could barely see anything for most of the battle. The only characters I remember seeing die was Theon, Jorah Mormont, Night King, Melisandre, Edd Tollett, Lyanna Mormont, Beric Dondarrion.
I wonder if the Night King storyline is finished. If so, that was a fast.....If the Night King is done, what is the current plot? Almost no Army now for Dany and Jon does not have much. Guess since it "Game of Thrones" they will still try for the crown?
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Post by demonskull on Apr 29, 2019 23:08:17 GMT
Maybe Arya puts on the Night King's face and scares the sempr!ni out of everyone in the South. Cersei with all her men board Huron's ships and sails for the Iron Isles. The Golden Company pissed off because Cersei left them to die, arrange to have Yara's ships pick them up and they decide to fight for Yara in payment. They take back the Iron Isles that Yara had to abandon to ferry the Golden company. Huron discovers Cersei baby isn't his and throws her sorry butt off his flagship, saying " that what is dead may never die, my ass!' Jon and Dany watch the evacuation of King's Landing from the backs of their dragons. Arya removes the Night King mask and does that little smirk. Nay just kidding !
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Post by zabazagobo on Apr 29, 2019 23:20:45 GMT
And he (the Night King) stood around and delayed in dispatching his goal that was sitting in that wheelchair. Alas, this is a common tactic used in movies for villains (see Bond films). I'm going to just pretend that there was an unseen battle of wills between Bran and the Night King going on through the whole episode, and that without Bran's efforts it would have all gone down horribly. Hahaha, right? How Bran is like "okay, I'm going now" and then seemingly doesn't do much was kind of funny in retrospect. Of course, there was probably quite a bit happening in the background going unexplained (Bran probably just was trying to bait Sir Icy, but I wonder if there are other unseen forces at work...Bran would know and we're left to find out)
As soon as Melissandre and Arya reunited, I knew Arya was going in for the kill. I wonder if how she appeared out of the shadows was thanks to a magic assist of our dearly departed 'witch' (you sure called Melissandre's redemption). Such an epic finale to the N. King, they really nailed this episode.
I'm just holding out for a fight at the Eyrie or Dragonstone, would love to see either of these epic fortresses (especially) the prior as a battleground. I know it's not super likely, but boy is the Vale of Arryn one of the coolest places in fantasy. Also...'attack helicopters'...I can never not joke about this now. Bad times for Cersei, unless Cersei ends up getting her elephants...
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