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Post by Darius359au on Oct 8, 2022 9:35:30 GMT
I've only got 2 , the 1860 union troopers sabre and the Pirate Captain's Hanger! , of the 2 my favourite's the Hanger , it's a fun little sword , handles nicely and rings like a bell when I cut with it  |
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Post by n7paladin on May 27, 2024 12:40:14 GMT
What is the general consensus regarding the Imperat rapier? This review ( www.sword-buyers-guide.com/rapier.html ) seems to speak very well of it but other comments I read in this forum were less positive. Also what is your opinion on the Battlecry line? P.S.: sorry if I replied to an old post but I thought it would have been to post my questions in this threat instead of posting a new one. |
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Post by nddave on May 27, 2024 13:46:39 GMT
What is the general consensus regarding the Imperat rapier? This review ( www.sword-buyers-guide.com/rapier.html ) seems to speak very well of it but other comments I read in this forum were less positive. Also what is your opinion on the Battlecry line? P.S.: sorry if I replied to an old post but I thought it would have been to post my questions in this threat instead of posting a new one. Never feel shy when it comes to thread making. But to answer your questions the Imperiat is a nice Rapier. Personally it felt a little awkward in hand but them again in not a big fan of it hilting. Regarding the Battlecry Line I really like the 3 I own and would recommend the Line for someone who wants a blackened weapon focusing on functionality. All Windlass are functional but the Battlecry Line takes specific measures to be functional out of the box for example with pre-sharpned blades and peened hilts. Check out my reviews on my channel if your interested. Seems your interested in a Rapier and I just did a full review on the Espada Ropera in the Battlecry Line if you'd like to check it out. |
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Post by rschuch on May 27, 2024 15:36:39 GMT
What is the general consensus regarding the Imperat rapier? This review ( www.sword-buyers-guide.com/rapier.html ) seems to speak very well of it but other comments I read in this forum were less positive. Also what is your opinion on the Battlecry line? P.S.: sorry if I replied to an old post but I thought it would have been to post my questions in this threat instead of posting a new one. The Christus is a big sword. Some complain about whippiness, but for such a long thin blade I think it's acceptable. What else can you do? Beyond that, it depends on what your expectations are. I'm a small guy at 5'6" so it feels awkward to me with it's bulky hilt and super long blade, but maybe a larger person would feel comfortable with it. It's solid and nice to look at. I have two Battlecry and they're both solid and well made. Obviously each has its own good and bad points, so it depends on which you're considering. |
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Post by n7paladin on May 27, 2024 17:15:09 GMT
What is the general consensus regarding the Imperat rapier? This review ( www.sword-buyers-guide.com/rapier.html ) seems to speak very well of it but other comments I read in this forum were less positive. Also what is your opinion on the Battlecry line? P.S.: sorry if I replied to an old post but I thought it would have been to post my questions in this threat instead of posting a new one. The Christus is a big sword. Some complain about whippiness, but for such a long thin blade I think it's acceptable. What else can you do? Beyond that, it depends on what your expectations are. I'm a small guy at 5'6" so it feels awkward to me with it's bulky hilt and super long blade, but maybe a larger person would feel comfortable with it. It's solid and nice to look at. I have two Battlecry and they're both solid and well made. Obviously each has its own good and bad points, so it depends on which you're considering. Thanks for the info. I'm of average height but I usually have no problem with longswords and some more "bulky" two-handed swords. However by definition a rapier should be fast but if the Imperat tends to become bulky to the point it does affect the rapier's typical speed then I would consider it a problem. As for the Battlecry, I was actually thinking about the rapier. I'm not a huge fan of rapiers but I do want to add one to my collection and so I was looking for something more "affordable" so I don't have to reduce the budget for the swords I like more. |
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Post by mrstabby on May 27, 2024 17:24:15 GMT
AFIAK the newer Windlass (like the Ropera) are closer to originals in blade geometry, specifically distal taper, this should make the biggest difference. The Imperat has a taper from 5-3mm, the Ropero starts at 7mm and ends at like 3mm I think (not sure, don't have one, just from shops information). This makes the blade bend differently when moving, and it's my theory that what people call "whippy" might be the blade bending at the midpoint because of lacking distal taper. With stronger distal taper the bending happens towards the last 3rd and it's far less noticeable. So personally I think the Battlecry Ropera is the better package, unless you need that giant blade of the Cristus Imperat or there is a massive price difference - then I would tell you to look at LK Chen, they generally cost more but have good reports.
Oh, and one more thing, the Battlecry come sharp, the Imperat does not.
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Post by rschuch on May 27, 2024 18:43:41 GMT
For size comparison... I think the length of the blade alone makes it difficult to control the point, but then I don't train or practice. I imagine like anything you could get used to it, and if you want a reach advantage, you got it! I do hear some people take several inches off and reprofile it to be more what they're used to. I got mine from a forum member who sharpened it down to about 6 inches from the guard, paper not hair popping sharp, but enough that I get nervous even taking it off the wall. One careless turn and things could get messy quickly .  |
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Post by eastman on May 27, 2024 19:40:30 GMT
I've posted comments on the CI elsewhere on the forum
overall positive, but it is completely blunt, so it performed very poorly on stab tests. needs at least the point sharpened to be effective.
the guard is good and reasonable size/weight compared to other swept hilt rapiers. they did leave a few spots as square cross section (not rounded) that make the grip much less comfortable when not wearing gloves
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Post by n7paladin on May 28, 2024 17:56:36 GMT
AFIAK the newer Windlass (like the Ropera) are closer to originals in blade geometry, specifically distal taper, this should make the biggest difference. The Imperat has a taper from 5-3mm, the Ropero starts at 7mm and ends at like 3mm I think (not sure, don't have one, just from shops information). This makes the blade bend differently when moving, and it's my theory that what people call "whippy" might be the blade bending at the midpoint because of lacking distal taper. With stronger distal taper the bending happens towards the last 3rd and it's far less noticeable. So personally I think the Battlecry Ropera is the better package, unless you need that giant blade of the Cristus Imperat or there is a massive price difference - then I would tell you to look at LK Chen, they generally cost more but have good reports.
Oh, and one more thing, the Battlecry come sharp, the Imperat does not.
I'm not 100% sure but I remember both had similar prices. Thanks for the info, in case I'll decide to go with a Windlass rapier I'll go with the Battlecry Ropera. |
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Post by n7paladin on May 28, 2024 17:59:50 GMT
I've posted comments on the CI elsewhere on the forum overall positive, but it is completely blunt, so it performed very poorly on stab tests. needs at least the point sharpened to be effective. the guard is good and reasonable size/weight compared to other swept hilt rapiers. they did leave a few spots as square cross section (not rounded) that make the grip much less comfortable when not wearing gloves Sharpening per se is not a problem since if needed I could do without too much trouble. I didn't know not even the point was sharp. In the review I read it was described as sharp both in point and edges so I guess that person got it from a shop that offered a sharpening service. |
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Post by mrstabby on May 28, 2024 18:42:05 GMT
It isn't rounded if you think that, it is pretty acute, but the cutting edges are 0,5-1mm thick, it has a point, just nothing that stabs well. Something like this:
Sometimes they came sharp, and nobody knows why.  |
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Post by eastman on May 29, 2024 0:48:35 GMT
the point on my CI was too blunt to stab thru a sheet of printer paper without tearing the paper and really struggled to stab through 1 layer of denim.
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Post by nddave on May 29, 2024 3:46:42 GMT
It isn't rounded if you think that, it is pretty acute, but the cutting edges are 0,5-1mm thick, it has a point, just nothing that stabs well. Something like this:
Sometimes they came sharp, and nobody knows why. They all should be coming sharpened as of this year. Some change on the MRL side with the only exception so far being Royal Armouries swords. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 30, 2024 2:38:11 GMT
Interesting information!
Does Windlass change the entire sword output?
Just secondary bevel sharpening or will they start to make blades with single bevel?
(Please, please, please...)
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Post by mrstabby on May 30, 2024 10:15:16 GMT
So far only secondaries have been seen in the wild. Something like on the 1796LC. But who knows what the future holds, AFIAK they only made everything dull in the first place to skirt import/export regulations. It would likely take a bit of retraining for the staff and some trial and error to get something without secondary bevel right since they have been doing it like this for decades now.
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Post by nddave on May 31, 2024 6:42:07 GMT
Interesting information! Does Windlass change the entire sword output? Just secondary bevel sharpening or will they start to make blades with single bevel? (Please, please, please...) As far as I know the sharpening is still done at MRL in the US, not in India some of you guys over in Europe might still get dull swords unless Marto in Spain is too sharpening them before distribution. |
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Post by n7paladin on Jun 1, 2024 16:33:33 GMT
Interesting information! Does Windlass change the entire sword output? Just secondary bevel sharpening or will they start to make blades with single bevel? (Please, please, please...) As far as I know the sharpening is still done at MRL in the US, not in India some of you guys over in Europe might still get dull swords unless Marto in Spain is too sharpening them before distribution. I had really bad experiences with Marto. I know they are just the importer so they are not responsible in any way of the production phase of Windlass swords but still I stopped trusting Marto long ago. A long time ago I was gifted several of their Katana. I knew they were just ornamental items so I never complained about not being able to train for martial arts with them but I was shocked by the lack of quality compared to the premium price they charged. Consider they put some foam inside the plastic saya in order to make it tight enough to hold the blade of the "sword-like-object". They now offer ornamental swords at 900€ (those Katana were paid about 150€ each 15 years ago) and even if it's just an ornamental item with such prices they can't sell that kind of unrefined items. I always considered it a measure of the company's (lack of) reliability. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 1, 2024 16:42:53 GMT
I wouldn't buy a Marto made sword too but they're a sub-company of Windlass and distribute the Windlass swords in Europe like Museum Replicas or Atlanta Cutlery in the US.
And those are the usual Windlass swords.
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Post by n7paladin on Jun 2, 2024 15:01:26 GMT
I wouldn't buy a Marto made sword too but they're a sub-company of Windlass and distribute the Windlass swords in Europe like Museum Replicas or Atlanta Cutlery in the US. And those are the usual Windlass swords. I know. I just felt the urge to voice my opinion about Marto. Of course it has nothing to do with Windlass, since it that case Marto is only the distributor. If I may go a little off topic: what about the Windlass medieval belts? Are they of good quality. I saw few of them that looked very nice. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 2, 2024 15:29:18 GMT
I have a few baldrics and swordbelts, also some belts attached to scabbard.
Usually they're ok.
Only with very bad luck you can get a bad one with a sword stored too long and dried out rather, like on my Assam Rifles kukri.
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