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Post by tonystark on Jan 3, 2019 19:07:13 GMT
I do have big meat paws... The 12 Rd mags would be a must. The primer drag issue bugs me cuz I've never seen it on any of my guns before. I'll make sure to check the manufacturer date before grabbing one... Or 2. ;-) I see primer drag on all the striker fired guns I've owned (G19, G26, G35, PT111 G2) of varying depth (26 was the worst). My friend's 43 also has striker drag, to the point that we've gotten into the habit of keeping the last ten shells we fire to see if it worsens over time. I think the problem with the early 365 is excessive drag alongside bad striker batches, that together led to breakages. With the G26, and the PT111 I’ve heard similar stories of slight primer drag, but I had no idea about the Glock 43 as well. Yeah the list of complaints was broken strikers, trigger bar springs and trigger return springs failing, and one of the previously mentioned springs scratching up the magazines. Absolutely none of that here. I have to double check, but mine may be a “Gen 3.”
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Post by Croccifixio on Jan 4, 2019 2:54:41 GMT
Would a solution be to polish the edge of the striker to reduce its length and lessen friction?
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Post by bluetrain on Jan 4, 2019 10:32:58 GMT
Does this problem of primer drag occur in rifles, virtually all of which are striker-fired?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 4:42:51 GMT
Tony (and or anyone with a P365) - Have you slipped the P365 in the front pocket of business suit pants or similar loose fitting pants? If so, does it print and or is it too heavy for a front pocket?
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Post by tonystark on Jan 6, 2019 2:36:10 GMT
Would a solution be to polish the edge of the striker to reduce its length and lessen friction? If I remember correctly, with the first Gen produced the strikers were either poorly made, or of a weaker grade of steel then the specs originally called for, and THAT was why they were scratching the magazines and snapping. That’s what I “recall” the source of the problems being, but I could be wrong. Anywho, there is an aftermarket striker that some weee just straight out installing in their P365 to prevent any future issues right out of the box. shop.lspi.com/Steel-Striker-For-SIG-P365-Pistols-LS-7365.htm
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Post by tonystark on Jan 6, 2019 2:40:55 GMT
Does this problem of primer drag occur in rifles, virtually all of which are striker-fired? Not sure about rifles, but I’m hearing a lot more people saying it’s a common “subcompact handgun” problem, not even a Sig-specific issue. I was talking to a guy online yesterday that said his Springfield XDS left primer drag on his empty casings. Another two guys mentioned a Taurus PT111 and a Glock 26 that were showing signs of primer drag.
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Post by tonystark on Jan 6, 2019 2:42:47 GMT
Tony (and or anyone with a P365) - Have you slipped the P365 in the front pocket of business suit pants or similar loose fitting pants? If so, does it print and or is it too heavy for a front pocket? I haven’t tried pocket carry, or even sticking it in my sweat pants pocket yet, but I will experiment a little with it tomorrow and let you know.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jan 6, 2019 4:41:35 GMT
Many have reported broken firing pins on p365s
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jan 6, 2019 4:47:02 GMT
I have a g19, g19x, M&P Shield, g42, g23, g34... and have owned a XDs in 9 and 45, a g21, G36, Canik tp9, and a G43. So... lots of sub compact striker fired guns. Never had a primer drag issue like is being seen with the Sig p365.
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Post by bluetrain on Jan 6, 2019 11:27:57 GMT
Why would there only be a problem on striker-fired models as opposed to hammer-fired models? Would the problem be related to less recoiling mass (lighter slide)?
I've owned a series of Star pistols and in fact, I still have one. Star had the unfortunate reputation of having poor or weak steel and breaking, which was the case with a couple of mine, although none became non-functional as a result. Another characteristic was long firing pins. I don't know if any of that might have contributed to primer drag but to be honest, I never noticed it on any of my pistols. Never looked for it.
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Post by tonystark on Jan 7, 2019 0:58:44 GMT
I have a g19, g19x, M&P Shield, g42, g23, g34... and have owned a XDs in 9 and 45, a g21, G36, Canik tp9, and a G43. So... lots of sub compact striker fired guns. Never had a primer drag issue like is being seen with the Sig p365. Not all of those guns you listed are subcompacts. Here’s just one video of a gun owner that spots primer drag on his Glock 43 & S&W Shield.
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Post by tonystark on Jan 7, 2019 1:02:28 GMT
Tony (and or anyone with a P365) - Have you slipped the P365 in the front pocket of business suit pants or similar loose fitting pants? If so, does it print and or is it too heavy for a front pocket? Okay I tried pocket carrying with sweat pants, dress pants, and cargo pants. The sweats and dress pants weren’t as concealing as I would have liked, but my cargo pants (BDU’s) hit them very well, even in the thigh pockets. Some people have been pocket carrying it, but I’ve always been an IWB carrier.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 1:43:38 GMT
Tony (and or anyone with a P365) - Have you slipped the P365 in the front pocket of business suit pants or similar loose fitting pants? If so, does it print and or is it too heavy for a front pocket? Okay I tried pocket carrying with sweat pants, dress pants, and cargo pants. The sweats and dress pants weren’t as concealing as I would have liked, but my cargo pants (BDU’s) hit them very well, even in the thigh pockets. Some people have been pocket carrying it, but I’ve always been an IWB carrier. Thanks Tony for your effort. Very good info to know. I have been waiting for an extensive review of a "3rd gen" P365 with 100% reliability. Have not seen one yet. Did you take a chance or did some source indicate to you that P365s with a build date of December 2018 or newer, we're good to go?
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Post by tonystark on Jan 7, 2019 19:16:21 GMT
Blade Runner- No problem, I’m always happy to share details on new “toys,” whether they’re bladed or go bang 😉 Originally I was going to buy it through Buds Gun Shop, but for all I knew they’d send me one that was stuck under a case of other Sigs, and had been made back in 2017! So I bought it through my local gun shop once I could be sure it was one of the MOST recent production models. The guy who owns the shop was able to ask his Sig guy directly when the “made by” date was. Just for your peace of mind I’d buy from someone who can physically look at the case in person, or check the guns serial # to see the production date. If the 1st & part of the 2nd Gen of these didn’t have the issues they do, then when it was made wouldn’t be a big deal. I almost forgot to mention that the P365 could also fit easily in an ankle holster (if IWB or OWB isn’t an option) or make an incredible back up gun, if that’s your cup of tea!
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jan 8, 2019 16:51:37 GMT
I have a g19, g19x, M&P Shield, g42, g23, g34... and have owned a XDs in 9 and 45, a g21, G36, Canik tp9, and a G43. So... lots of sub compact striker fired guns. Never had a primer drag issue like is being seen with the Sig p365. Not all of those guns you listed are subcompacts. Here’s just one video of a gun owner that spots primer drag on his Glock 43 & S&W Shield. No... but most are compact or sub compact striker fired weapons... all are striker fired weapons...and none of them have displayed primer drag as the Sig p365 has in multiple reviews I’ve seen. So I definitely will be waiting till I’m sure that problem has been fixed 100%.
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Post by tonystark on Jan 10, 2019 0:26:16 GMT
I was under the impression we were only talking about striker-fired subcompacts, but I can understand the desire to wait. It’s why I waited 12 months to pick one up!
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Post by Striderfly on Jan 16, 2019 19:12:54 GMT
Right now I have the 938 scorpion and I've really liked it, but the low rounds it can carry (7) has always been a bummer. I'm very interested in this 365.
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Post by tonystark on Jan 17, 2019 0:25:10 GMT
The 938 is a super reliable subcompact in its own right, but I hear you on “capacity.” As much as I’d love a Ruger SP101 (.357) for a carry gun, it’s only 5 shots, and I’m no expert marksman. After my range trip Monday, and letting my wife put another 100rnds through it, it’s up to 700rnds now with no FTF, FTE, or any other malfunctions. If you can get a P365 with a production date of December 2018, or January 2019 you may get one as good as mine has been.
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Post by bluetrain on Jan 17, 2019 0:48:46 GMT
I'm probably the exception is not recommending long range sessions, even as low as 100 rounds, especially for the Ruger SP101. As has been discussed in other threads, small guns are less than pleasant to shoot and once you fire off more rounds than you might normally carry, your opinion of the wisdom of choosing a small gun will cause second thoughts. I realize that may not be practical, given that you can probably only make it to the range once a week or so and you have to cram everything into a short period with a crowd waiting for your place at the firing line. Besides, the cost adds up.
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Post by tonystark on Jan 17, 2019 3:29:49 GMT
Actually I don’t mind .357 through short barrels at all. I’ve sat and shot a box of .357mag through a S&W 686 with a 3” barrel and it was fine. Now my S&W 629 is a different story, and that has a 5” barrel! The gun club that I’m a member of isn’t bad at all. It’s about 20 mins away from me, over the state line in N. Berwick ME, and the other members are all Law Enforcement, Veterans, Hunters, and everyone is very laid back when they go. 90% of the club is an outdoor range, which honestly I prefer over noisy, overcrowded groups of people who have no concept of firearm safety! My opinion of revolvers is based off of all the training I’ve been through over the years. I absolutely LOVE revolvers, and in a rural small town setting they’re very adequate for carry. In a major city however, where criminals and punks carry guns with 17+ capacity a revolver (even with speed loaders) just doesn’t cut it. If I’m going hiking or camping in bear or moose territory, you bet your $emprini I’m taking my 629 with me! LOL
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