bpogue
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Post by bpogue on Sept 8, 2017 12:50:56 GMT
Glad you guys are enjoying the sword so far.
This one had a long history that I'm actually not entirely sure of. The fittings had been done some time ago but it never came together for production for whatever reason. It took a couple of samples before the blade was acceptable but I think they ended up doing a pretty good job on a sword design that is quite a bit difficult to pull off. We could have lopped several inches off the blade and made it nice and nimble in the hand but I just love the proportions on this sword and it seemed such a shame to lose that.
I do hear you on the plain brown grip. Unfortunately a wire wrap just wasn't going to work, it's actually not the only sword I'm working on that had to lose the wire wrapping. I will see if we can do a cord wrap or other similar imprint on future production runs though to add a little interest. For those that want to add a little to this current sword I bet you could soak the leather and wrap with some nylon twine to get a nice effect. I'll give it a shot with one of the samples I have on hand.
Blake
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 8, 2017 15:09:41 GMT
Blake is dead on doing the imprint. Have done this on Hanwei sword grips before. You can use water or whatever to dampen the leather and just wrap it until dry.
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 8, 2017 20:32:02 GMT
Received mine today and very disappointed. The little strip to keep the blade protected on the guard was loose. It pulled off very easily and this is what I found.
It is not a tough piece like the William Marshall that you can tell belongs on the sword but thin and on mine falling off. So, I am going to have to find a way to get rid of it. Could dig around and find some leather strips to glue in there. At this point more inclined to toss it.
Bottom line is I do not recommend this sword. How hard is it to just mate the blade to the guard? Too bad as all my other ones are really good.
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Post by strigoil on Sept 8, 2017 20:37:12 GMT
Well that seems like an entirely unnecessary way to make it, quite disgusting actually. Shame
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 20:40:08 GMT
Wow. That would make me "the incredible Holg" mad!
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 8, 2017 20:51:08 GMT
I have had ATRIM swords that had this setup but at least the blade shoulders on those touched the guard....
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Sept 8, 2017 20:53:21 GMT
Maybe that's something that should go in the sword construction database? I wonder if something like a seppa could be split and inserted in there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 20:59:31 GMT
I wonder if they all have a gap like that? What would happen it you tapped on the guard to touch the blade?
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Post by Bryan Heff on Sept 8, 2017 21:02:16 GMT
Mine has the exact same problem.
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Post by rebane on Sept 9, 2017 2:40:16 GMT
Unbelievable! What were they thinking? Did they assume nobody would figure this out?
It seems like Hanwei is unable to produce anything western that is reliably decent without the partnership of an expert. Which is very strange because at this point, a design failure like this should be obvious to even the most amateur sword enthusiast. What makes it worse, is that the leather piece appears to be a deliberate cover up.
So sad to see considering the tinker line up is such a good value mainly because it gets all the basics right. I would imagine building off of that but it appears they learned very little from their own succcess.
Why Hanwei?
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Post by nddave on Sept 9, 2017 2:49:17 GMT
Unbelievable! What were they thinking? Did they assume nobody would figure this out? It seems like Hanwei is unable to produce anything western that is reliably decent without the partnership of an expert. Which is very strange because at this point, a design failure like this should be obvious to even the most amateur sword enthusiast. What makes it worse, is that the leather piece appears to be a deliberate cover up. So sad to see considering the tinker line up is such a good value mainly because it gets all the basics right. I would imagine building off of that but it appears they learned very little from their own succcess. Why Hanwei? Well as I mentioned in the review thread the only two Hanwei European models that have this leather spacer are the William Marshall and this one. Every other Hanwei from the Reinlander to the beater CASIBERA line are compression fit to the tang and peened (well except for the Lowlander it's threaded). Seems for some odd reason this is the way they did it on those two exclusive models.
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Post by leviathansteak on Sept 9, 2017 3:33:49 GMT
Oh man i read this thread and i was really getting impressed. To see this weirdness is very disappointing. Seriously, WHY?? The leather spacer doesnt even need to be there!
Can the guard be hammered down to fit neatly against the blade shoulders? If so then at least its an easy fix.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 9, 2017 4:15:30 GMT
The leather "spacer" was used historically. I've had a few sabre that used it. If it were made out of good boiled leather I think it's actually be a cool feature. Wouldn't it absorb shock?
The downfall is of course over the course of a few decades if not take care of they can cause the blade and guard to loosen by shrinking of rotting away.
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Post by leviathansteak on Sept 9, 2017 4:49:57 GMT
The leather "spacer" was used historically. I've had a few sabre that used it. If it were made out of good boiled leather I think it's actually be a cool feature. Wouldn't it absorb shock? The downfall is of course over the course of a few decades if not take care of they can cause the blade and guard to loosen by shrinking of rotting away. Sabres do have this leather spacer, but are you aware of any arming swords that have this feature?
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 9, 2017 4:56:19 GMT
The leather "spacer" was used historically. I've had a few sabre that used it. If it were made out of good boiled leather I think it's actually be a cool feature. Wouldn't it absorb shock? The downfall is of course over the course of a few decades if not take care of they can cause the blade and guard to loosen by shrinking of rotting away. Sabres do have this leather spacer, but are you aware of any arming swords that have this feature? No, I've only owned two medi swords, but I did practice longsword for a little over a year. Just trying to say that the concept does have bearing in the times when swords were used for war. Hanweu certainly could've used better leather, but it is after a first run I assume.
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Post by rebane on Sept 9, 2017 5:25:22 GMT
The leather "spacer" was used historically. I've had a few sabre that used it. If it were made out of good boiled leather I think it's actually be a cool feature. Wouldn't it absorb shock? The downfall is of course over the course of a few decades if not take care of they can cause the blade and guard to loosen by shrinking of rotting away. It may be historical for sabres or other types I have little experience with. I have no frame of reference. However, I have seen literally hundreds of swords from this period in Europe and have never seen this before. Perhaps there are examples out there but they would definitely be exceptions to the rule. The entire reason for a recessed fit is to prevent a torquing of the hilt with only the tang (right at the shoulders for that matter) for support upon impact. Just sloppy. All the more annoying because it hits all the other notes for this to be an awesome sword. I was really considering buying this.
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Post by rebane on Sept 9, 2017 5:30:43 GMT
Unbelievable! What were they thinking? Did they assume nobody would figure this out? It seems like Hanwei is unable to produce anything western that is reliably decent without the partnership of an expert. Which is very strange because at this point, a design failure like this should be obvious to even the most amateur sword enthusiast. What makes it worse, is that the leather piece appears to be a deliberate cover up. So sad to see considering the tinker line up is such a good value mainly because it gets all the basics right. I would imagine building off of that but it appears they learned very little from their own succcess. Why Hanwei? Well as I mentioned in the review thread the only two Hanwei European models that have this leather spacer are the William Marshall and this one. Every other Hanwei from the Reinlander to the beater CASIBERA line are compression fit to the tang and peened (well except for the Lowlander it's threaded). Seems for some odd reason this is the way they did it on those two exclusive models. You are right. Perhaps I'm being a bit unfair. I have a tinker bastard sword and rheinlander and love them both. I plan on ordering a tinker Norman as well. It's just infuriating to see this kind of misstep on new releases. I agree hanwei makes some good (sometimes great) swords. But this is a big step back imo.
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