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Post by Dave Kelly on Sept 3, 2017 3:29:30 GMT
Just a reminder. The specific sword referred to here is the Coronation Sword of the Holy Roman Emporers. It is not a fighting sword in the historic conditon. The hilt was silver with a gold veneer to the pommel and quillons. The Windlass hilt is more in character to the real thing. What pissed off buyers was the original advert for sales stated that the blade was the proper 37.5 inches and instead came with a generic 33 in diamond blade. The A&A is a proper fighting XIa with Reichschwert markings. This Hanwei is interesting because it follows the fighting sword character of the A&A at 1/3d the cost. The grip appears to offer .5in more space for larger hands. The workhorse style of Hanwei's scabbard is welcome. Should be able to carry my A&A. ( If ya really want to go balls to the wall on a Reichsschwert, don't forget Ares Academy. The Italians don't sharpen their products due to national laws. ) www.aresacademy.it/museum%20line.html
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Post by Bryan Heff on Sept 3, 2017 12:04:50 GMT
Nice analysis Dave, thanks. That Ares version is a looker...wow.
I fell in love with the long/big single handed cavalry swords about 2 years ago. The XI type use to be a type that I disliked quite a bit, now it's reversed.
I am really hoping this Hanwei version is a winner.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Sept 3, 2017 12:53:25 GMT
Nice analysis Dave, thanks. That Ares version is a looker...wow. I fell in love with the long/big single handed cavalry swords about 2 years ago. The XI type use to be a type that I disliked quite a bit, now it's reversed. I am really hoping this Hanwei version is a winner. Ordered one thru lgmartialarts :)
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 3, 2017 13:02:31 GMT
The Windlass is heavier than the original even with the shorter blade. They did a nice job on the hilt even though the pommel was threaded.
As usual, A&A smooched the pooch on the blade cross section. I like A&A but for the prices, they turn out swords with the wrong cross sections on many models.
Looking forward to see how the Hanwei version comes out. As Dave said, A&A and Hanwei are making this historical sword into user versions.
The Del Tin Type X Medieval Sword is their generic version of this sword in a plain Jane example. I have this sword and it is nice. The wire grip was loose but I just removed it and did a leather wrap. It is advertised as 3lb 9.2oz but feels much lighter than that in hand. Feels more like slightly under 3lbs on mine.
On a side note, the Del Tin Version St. Maurice housed in the Royal Armoury at Turin Italy is not a bad sword. I have both the regular and longer versions of this sword. Does not have the historical blade properties of most swords but is manageable.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Sept 3, 2017 14:38:49 GMT
All we've left out is the Albion Turin St Maurice. 1900.00 and it's all your's. (rofl)
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Post by Bryan Heff on Sept 3, 2017 15:04:36 GMT
Yeah the Windlass version turned me off right away with that short blade... Throw in the threaded pommel and clunky handling... Pass
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 3, 2017 15:11:44 GMT
All we've left out is the Albion Turin St Maurice. 1900.00 and it's all your's. Had that one. Should have kept it but you have to have bigger stones than me to maneuver that beast. Sold it but ended up with a Mateusz Sulowski version that looks the part. He made some small changes to the sword which makes it much more manageable than the Albion version. Still kicking myself for letting the Albion one go.........
Mr. Heff now has ownership of said sword.
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 3, 2017 18:12:59 GMT
This is the Del Tin Medieval X sword loosely based on the Saint Maurice. Description: The Del Tin Type X Medieval Sword is based on the famous sword of St. Maurice housed in the Imperial Treasury, Vienna. This version lacks the decorative engravings added to the original later in it's history.
I removed the wire and rewrapped in leather.
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 3, 2017 18:15:19 GMT
Here are my examples of the Saint Maurice Sword of Turin:
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Post by stormmaster on Sept 3, 2017 19:29:58 GMT
wish it had a wire grip tho, i think that looks cooler
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Sept 4, 2017 14:19:12 GMT
I'm really impressed by this, looks like it could be one of the best Hanwei Euros. I hope it will be a good one.
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Post by tancred on Sept 4, 2017 17:16:50 GMT
I'm usually not too big into single handed Euro's/arming swords, but this model looks right up my alley. Really surprised it has such a long blade for a single handed sword, kind of makes me think of it as a more robust and cutting focused rapier-length weapon. What really gets me is the blade length is roughly the same as my Hanwei antiqued bastard sword. Thanks for sharing, it just made my short-list. In Oakeshott's "Records of the Medieval Sword," he comments on the seemingly overly long blade. He surmises that the sword at one time had a longer hilt (hand-and-a-half or two-handed length), but was cut down/made shorter once the sword became more ceremonial. I don't own this one or the Windlass one. Just going by aesthetics, I like the look of the Windlass better. Plus, the fact that it does look like the Vienna sword actually does. The listed weights of both make me want to stay away, though. If I were crazy about brazil nut pommelled swords, I might go for one. I'm not, though. However, if one of these were ever to come up at a much discounted or used price, I'd not hesitate.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 4, 2017 19:44:24 GMT
looks great! much better than the heavy windlass version that is 4 lbs! I would have been interested in getting it but I already have the sword of roven which is too similar.
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Post by zabazagobo on Sept 5, 2017 1:02:34 GMT
The Windlass one looks very nice aesthetically, but 4 lbs. for a 33 inch blade seems...well, overkill? Functionally, the Hanwei is likely much better. Although I really buy the notion that the antique original sported a much larger handle and was trimmed down to its current state, it's just such a rare sight to see a single handed arming sword of this length.
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Post by nddave on Sept 5, 2017 5:48:23 GMT
The Windlass one looks very nice aesthetically, but 4 lbs. for a 33 inch blade seems...well, overkill? Functionally, the Hanwei is likely much better. Although I really buy the notion that the antique original sported a much larger handle and was trimmed down to its current state, it's just such a rare sight to see a single handed arming sword of this length. That's what makes it a Type XI. myarmoury.com/feature_spotxi.html
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Post by zabazagobo on Sept 5, 2017 20:02:13 GMT
The Windlass one looks very nice aesthetically, but 4 lbs. for a 33 inch blade seems...well, overkill? Functionally, the Hanwei is likely much better. Although I really buy the notion that the antique original sported a much larger handle and was trimmed down to its current state, it's just such a rare sight to see a single handed arming sword of this length. That's what makes it a Type XI. myarmoury.com/feature_spotxi.htmlThat's an awesome source of information, thanks for sharing. Now I can finally study up on the different Oakeshott types. How would you classify a Hanwei Antiqued Bastard? Type XII?
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Post by nddave on Sept 5, 2017 22:40:31 GMT
That's an awesome source of information, thanks for sharing. Now I can finally study up on the different Oakeshott types. How would you classify a Hanwei Antiqued Bastard? Type XII? Sort of. I mean at first glance it has the appearance of a XIIa but overall with the Riccasso and diamond profile it's more closer to a XIX without the extra fullers or even one of rare Type XVII with a Riccasso. What I would consider is the sword or swords the Hanwei Bastard is based on post-dates the Oakeshott Typology and falls into to later period Great Swords and Bastard Swords of the Renaissance. Hanwei kind of says this in their description as well. There is one similar sword in Records of the Medieval Sword that Oakeshott considers "unclassifiable". It has a similar blade profile but it doesn't have a fuller and is dated around the time Hanwei dates their reproduction. Oakeshott actually says Bastard Swords of this profile were quite popular between 1480 and 1540. Here's a pic of it from the book.
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Post by zabazagobo on Sept 6, 2017 3:01:51 GMT
Interesting, thanks for your insight. I sent you a pm on this tangent so this thread doesn't go off in all sorts of other directions and we can all resume drooling over a nice surprise from Hanwei
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Sept 7, 2017 0:03:20 GMT
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Post by Bryan Heff on Sept 7, 2017 19:45:46 GMT
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