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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 22:18:35 GMT
Also - just a comment on the 'modern' ATrims. If anyone gets the nut to come loose on one of those, I want to see how badly they've destroyed the blade to do so. Peening does have a certain aesthetic appeal, but from a functional standpoint, I'm very skeptical if a modern ATrim has had a nut/thread failure of any kind. To peen or not to peen, that is the question. Ha......yeah.
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Post by Verity on Aug 15, 2018 22:19:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 23:40:36 GMT
Thanks. I saw the Key to Valhalla last night while searching for Lundemo swords (your timing is again, "spooky"). Mega love it. Mega love two handed Viking. Wish there was at least one relic of a two hander, found in the world. Notice the intricate design work in the guard and pommel? That's what I want on my "case queens". There seems to be very few sword makers doing beautiful intricate design work on guards and pommels. I need to make a list of sword makers that can and will do high end custom guards and pommels like it. ....yes, I like big'uns.
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Post by Verity on Aug 16, 2018 0:25:37 GMT
Thanks. I saw the Key to Valhalla last night while searching for Lundemo swords (your timing is again, "spooky"). Mega love it. Mega love two handed Viking. Wish there was at least one relic of a two hander, found in the world. Notice the intricate design work in the guard and pommel? That's what I want on my "case queens". There seems to be very few sword makers doing beautiful intricate design work on guards and pommels. I need to make a list of sword makers that can and will do high end custom guards and pommels like it. ....yes, I like big'uns. IIRC the Key to Valhalla actually is the Mike Jia Sountaka fittings. Same ones used on the Sonny / Jia collab Sountaka sword. And yes. Jia makes some beautiful fittings. And apparently I have ESP when it comes to your mind Blade Runner. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 12:10:37 GMT
Found this illustration in an article on the DSA site. From the article bibliography, it must originate from an Oakeshott book or a book about Oakeshott. Noticed the no. 8 sword guard is shapped and colored like the JR Excalibur sword guard also shown below. It is my favorite shape for a sword guard. Therefore, does that mean that the Excalibur guard shape is historical or historically "plausable"? To overlook the obvious would be not noticing be the signature on that art. www.lambiek.net/artists/f/funcken.htmI could actually post up several associations Eyal (of Darksword) has had with artists and regarding "his sword designs". The latest of which is listing cooperation with Bruce Brookhart. This latter has me wondering how much Bruce is getting out of the deal. Others have not really been brought to light as to their designs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 3:35:36 GMT
Thanks for your comments. Ok, does anyone know where this type of crossguard originated? Or is it a modification of an existing historical crossguard? Any info is appreciated. See Several Examples Below:
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Post by William Swiger on Aug 18, 2018 9:58:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 13:04:58 GMT
Yes it does. That was driving me crazy. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 12:17:52 GMT
Found an historical sword with a gold colored crossguard shaped like the Excalibur. From Records of the Medieval Sword by Ewart Oakeshott Sword from the Covent of San Vincente near Longrono, Spain. Circa 1250 Searching for examples made by sword makers that put detail in crossguards like this. So far no luck. Seen many that do highly detailed Viking guards and pommels, but no 13th, 14th and 15th century medieval crossguards like the one above. May have to custom order it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 18:39:45 GMT
Some of Gus' bowties emulate this a bit but less accentuated. Here a model 1320 from the past I had archived a good many ATrim images and some ended up in an archive of types I uploaded to SFI www.swordforum.com/forums/album.php?albumid=5
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Post by tancred on Aug 20, 2018 23:19:05 GMT
Found an historical sword with a gold colored crossguard shaped like the Excalibur. From Records of the Medieval Sword by Ewart Oakeshott Sword from the Covent of San Vincente near Longrono, Spain. Circa 1250 Searching for examples made by sword makers that put detail in crossguards like this. So far no luck. Seen many that do highly detailed Viking guards and pommels, but no 13th, 14th and 15th century medieval crossguards like the one above. May have to custom order it. Blade Runner, Windlass makes their version of this very sword, calling it the Sword of Santa Casilda. I bought one a few months ago, and its pretty darn awesome. Maybe you were just looking for a different kind of sword with similar guard and pommel, but if not, this sword is out there. I don't think for long, though, because its been backordered or in limited number for some time now. www.museumreplicas.com/sword-of-santa-casilda
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 3:34:39 GMT
Edel - Nice pics. Love those crossguards. Searching for ornate versions. Tanc - Thanks. I saw that sword. Looks good. But yes, I am searching for existing examples of swords with that type of ornate crossguard with XIIa and XVIIIc blades (Baron and Alexandria blades). Really searching for an ornate version of the Christian Fletcher Atrim "Seneschal" as seen below:
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Post by Verity on Aug 21, 2018 3:39:32 GMT
Edel - Nice pics. Love those crossguards. Searching for ornate versions. Tanc - Thanks. I saw that sword. Looks good. But yes, I am searching for existing examples of swords with that type of ornate crossguard with XIIa and XVIIIc blades (Baron and Alexandria blades). i don’t know of any off the top of my head outside of the aforementioned Windlass. But. In the custom world, I could think of a few that could do this (Rob Miller, Jake Powning, etc.) Though you probably are hoping for less expensive options 😁 Usually that kind of work is hand carved which isn’t cheap. But mass produced would be cast and probably look not amazing. Also could consider just getting a simple blade with that look at have the guard and pommel custom engraved. (Most custom jewelers could do this)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 3:45:39 GMT
Verity - Thanks. I added a "Sensechal" pic to post above. Yeah, I was also searching for custom crossguard makers as well. I have emailed Fletcher and waiting to here back.
Did not realize the Winter Warden hilt was based off of an historical German sword. Asked him if he could do a royal blue or royal purple grip color.
If Fletcher could put an ornate version of his Senechal crossguard on a Baron blade, that would be mega nice!
.....in fact, I need to email Fletcher again.
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Post by stormmaster on Aug 21, 2018 5:28:50 GMT
fletcher will do most any color grips
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 5:56:43 GMT
Storm - Nice! Found one (it's a little too thin)....this is the type of crossguard I need on my next custom sword. It's on the DSA Wolfsbane Viking:
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Post by Verity on Aug 21, 2018 13:31:07 GMT
Verity - Thanks. I added a "Sensechal" pic to post above. Yeah, I was also searching for custom crossguard makers as well. I have emailed Fletcher and waiting to here back. Did not realize the Winter Warden hilt was based off of an historical German sword. Asked him if he could do a royal blue or royal purple grip color. Yep. It is based off a Germanic riding sword. A&A makes a more exacting replica of it vs Christian who did an “inspired by” version that is not a historical replica but honestly I like better. Note though that Christian usually does 3D printer parts based off of models he does. Sometimes the striations are there vs hand carving. I am not hung up on this but should be noted in case you care.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 19:00:30 GMT
Good to know. Asking Fletcher first, since he seems to have an exclusive on accessing new Albion bare blades. If he says no, I'm going to ask Robinson and or Lundemo.
Might even ask DSA if they could sell me the wolfsbane crossguard. In the DSA parts section, they sell a highly detailed Viking guard/pommel set mega cheap.
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Post by nddave on Aug 22, 2018 2:16:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 2:29:45 GMT
Dave - Thanks for detailed info. Looks like I need to search KOA more.
That Balaur 14th century crossguard shape looks good. The guard and pommel would make a great canvas for some engraving work. Thanks again.
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