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Post by stopped1 on May 24, 2017 23:22:26 GMT
Still think Asian swords are better for storm bringer. The nihonto or eaily chinese practice of wrapping high carbon steel around soft core steel is perfect for trapping chaos demon inside.  And the taotist hexagon is perfect to hold the 8 pointed chaos star. The ying yang idea fits so well with the law/chaos wars.... hehe I will twist any idea for my benefit |
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Post by Timo Nieminen on May 24, 2017 23:25:23 GMT
Still think Asian swords are better for storm bringer. The nihonto or eaily chinese practice of wrapping high carbon steel around soft core steel is perfect for trapping chaos demon inside. :) There are European examples of this too. IIRC, some found on the Mary Rose. |
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Post by stopped1 on May 24, 2017 23:44:44 GMT
And the patterns in Wootz steel can be seen as veins of the demon.
Stop it, don't confuse me with facts, I have made up my mind haha
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 24, 2017 23:45:05 GMT
The european swordsmiths of the 6th cent. AD hammered different colored demons into the hearts of their swords, folded and twisted! |
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Post by stopped1 on May 25, 2017 0:08:36 GMT
Next Moorcock novel: Because of idiots like us, Elric turns in his grave, awakens and set for a new Elric rebirth series!
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 25, 2017 0:18:07 GMT
Bad herbs, bad digestion, bad mood, sorry friends, couldn't avoid to eat your souls...
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Post by stopped1 on May 25, 2017 0:50:08 GMT
I can just imagine Elric getting the wrong herb and starting to sound like bob marley
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Post by stopped1 on May 25, 2017 10:37:56 GMT
Point of no return has been reached! Paid for it just now. Slightly revised length (we agreed that the length listed are min length but he can build it longer) and now etching on both sides. The extra "rune" reads "never born, never dies", reference to entropy just occurs and it doesn't stop. Think I got all the stuff on, 8 direction (8 pointed star/symbol of chaos), bringing the storm, barren land (everything dies in the last book), don't mourn with the blade (it is Strom Bringer, not Mourn Blade), war.....  It will look somewhat like this. This is a cheap custom Kissaki moroha zukuri I got this week. the next order will be same handle and blade length (Katana with 28 in blade for scale) but with different edge profile. Ring pommel, cross guard (I am not putting THAT guard on, just have it around the house so I put it for for the concept pic, as a matter of fact, I don't know what i am using for guard yet).  Yeah and the ring pommel will be welded onto the tang extension. The extension will be some 9 cm long and I will weld as much steel on as possibly as a counter balance. The new blade will be at least a pound heavier than the sword in the above pic. Will possibly use the smaller pommel ring I built, the one in the pic is a bit large for my taste. |
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Post by stopped1 on May 29, 2017 7:53:04 GMT
Need sword guard idea...... Got a few ideas and these are what I think I can make. Forget Elric for a moment, say you you are to add so western flavour to a chinese two handed jian, which one will you go for? By the way, the semi circular black thingies on #2 supposed to go over the scabbard  |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 29, 2017 8:01:28 GMT
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Post by stopped1 on May 29, 2017 10:35:13 GMT
#3 got me thinking, a smaller Viking Type VI may fit pretty well, still has old Asian look but with western accent...
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 29, 2017 10:42:56 GMT
I had an XVIIIe in mind, like Albion's Dane, couldn't forget Elric, sorry! |
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Post by stopped1 on May 29, 2017 11:02:47 GMT
I knew you were pointing that way but inspired me for something else BTW you evil people, I do Asian Martial arts and I collect Asian swords... I had to goodle what I - IX and Oakeshott types were! Gotta say I have learnt a few things these few weeks |
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Post by Croccifixio on May 30, 2017 5:29:52 GMT
To clarify, types IX below are not Oakeshott but rather Jan Petersen's typology.
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Post by stopped1 on May 30, 2017 7:36:21 GMT
Dug around and found a pattern welded knife blank, should be just enough for a gentle upwards U shaped guard.  I really don't want XVIII type large guard, just a little western flavor in the pot.... Here is the blank and fuchi/habaki for szie  Attachments:
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Post by stopped1 on May 30, 2017 7:44:19 GMT
To clarify, types IX below are not Oakeshott but rather Jan Petersen's typology. I knew that! for a long time already (like 2 days)  |
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Post by stopped1 on Jun 13, 2017 13:01:55 GMT
Ok guys, blade has been forged (so the seller said) and they are etching the "runes" on now. I am now thinking going Double Ring cross guard (you bad bad men, I wasn't going European style). Found this locally, seller said it is carbon steel and should be thick enough for a 20mm thick handle (gonna be oval shape like a katana handle). Should go well with the ring pommel. www.ebay.com/itm/142269494461?ul_noapp=true I have a question. the two rings are different shape, which side is which? |
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Post by stopped1 on Jun 26, 2017 9:24:29 GMT
   Blade Pics arrived, the "runes" were done pretty well. the ridge lines is not a crisp as I like but I can't complain for a cheap blade. The only problem is they have accidentally used 65MN instead of 1060 so the blackening came out reddish. I will have to ask them to get it properly blackened. I have seen that in Norinco gun parts, they are high in Mn so factory blue is brownish but can be blackened with a bit of care. At least he asked me first.... phew Also have Scabbard wrap sorted, I have been playing with 1mm waxed cotton strings and it will come out like that over the top 12 inches of scabbard, while the rest will be sneak skin (I ordered a 35inch piece)  Here is the guard, now blackened, if I don't like the look of it later on, I can always chop the side rings off and shorten it by a few inches to give a more eastern look  BTW I have just learnt that "aluminum black" solution will blacken brass really well, so the habaki and scabbard tips are sorted |
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Post by stopped1 on Jul 27, 2017 8:35:28 GMT
Yay, blade arrived today. After getting a lemon from this seller last time (plus he did the color wrong) I was worried as I open the packed.... So.... no problems! there were minor issues, I can list two problems here -blade was to be 80cm without habaki, it is 80 with hakabi so they robed me by 2cm -the handle was supposed to be 35cm, its 31 cm, that I can fix -tang was longer than I asked but not complaining here. Now the blade, etching is as order, the lines are ok to good (tip pic is just taken with bad light, it is better), lots of distal taper and it is super springy.    The scabbard and handle are made of what they call "rose wood" very dense and feels solid, the scabbard is tapered and not chunky. The tang is ok, has lots of deep acid pits so I guess it was from etching/blueing, not that is matters   Next thing, need to mount, a 5cm extension will be welded on and the ring pomel added, something like my other project sword tang  Final project should look like this but with longer, more tapered handle and all fittings will be blackened  BTW, the seller had remade the whole blade, I compared the etching with the wrong color blade he sent me, the ecthing is exactly the same (they must have a computer generated template) BUT the the etching is now higher! I am impressed, they actually redid the whole thing! As an added bonus, it came with a very long sword bag, I was pulling my hair out trying to find a bag for the nodachi I have just built, ha, it fits! |
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Post by stopped1 on Jul 28, 2017 12:06:34 GMT
Quick up date. The heat treating and tempering of the blade were done pretty well. Not a typical katana stiff temper but spring temper like in good jian and western swords. The blade was slightly off to the right (a very common thing in cheaper swords) so I tried to bend it straight with the usual 2x4. I was surprised that it went way past the usual angle, it must have been past 30-35 deg before I got a slight set. I was too scared too go further as it will be hell to bend the back the other way if I went overboard. So I left it to the right very very slightly. At the monet I will have to look hard to see the set so it is not too bad and I know once finished, it will be a great cutter! will report back in a week or two when mounted.
I am also trying to buy the reject red blade cheap, in light of the good temper. if it is as good a spring temper, it will be score for another project, thinking of polishing the red out and make it a tang jian.
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I really don't want XVIII type large guard, just a little western flavor in the pot....
